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Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

pauldvalente — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:20:51 GMT

- an excellent window into a very interesting process. I am an owner of Vista and have been enjoying much of the experience, most notably the UX.

It is fascinating between the two videos - at least from my chair it seems to have evolved from something I would describe as precarious but hopefull into a healthy, workable creative process.

It seems you have beaten the two year mark in at least building your internal audience.

- one brief but significant correction if I may - designing "chairs" and "car washers (was it?)" is anything but trivial :) .

Anyway, nice work on the O/S and the video.

paul

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Minh — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:47:04 GMT

Is it me or is trying to brand an open platform like trying to herd cats?

And even more so when it comes to something as ethereal as audio.

Just face it, you'll never see a glowing Vista decal on the back of a laptop :)

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

asharism — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:15:52 GMT

jsampsonPC wrote:
All I need is a couple hours of this on my iPod...this stuff is beautiful.

Now how do you plan to get it on your iPod?

I know you can download and convert... however, that just takes insanely long :( Just wondering if there is a better trick....

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Massif — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:53:51 GMT

SteveBall wrote:

Good observation, Massif -- we wanted to provide additional inbox Sound Schemes besides the default set, but in the end, that plan did not fit into ship schedule. Of course, it is still relatively easy for users who really wish to create their own Personalized sound schemes using their own sounds.

In our original Sound Scheme plan, recommended that we ship a 'minimalist' scheme, a 'home' scheme a 'Fripp' scheme, and a 'Classic XP' scheme along side the default Windows Vista sound scheme -- although these sounds and sound schemes exist, it was not considered to a priority to get these inbox relative to the very hard task of sticking to the RTM date.

So these remain an available aspiration for future releases.

Fair enough, you don't have infinite resources.

SteveBall wrote:

Also, I would not necessarily characterize the default sounds we chose as 'homogenised lowest common denominator.' IMHO, 'lowest common denominator' would be silence. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the primary driving influence for the design of the default sounds was to offer a subtle compliment the translucent, rounded, AERO glass UI.

Absolutely, I wasn't trying to imply that you had created a lowest common denominator soundscape. In fact I really like the Vista sounds (if only the speakers on my tablet worked. sigh...) I apologise if that appeared to be what I was saying.

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

SteveBall — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:47:58 GMT

"Posted by Massif // Thu, Mar 8, 2007 7:11 AM

You don't appear to have answered the Personalisation vs. Branding question.

I can understand the need not to create the most homogenised lowest common denominator sound, but that doesn't mean leaving everyone with a single soundscape.

Couldn't the same sounds be recorded in a slightly different set of instruments / styles just to give a bit of leeway for users to customise their experience? e.g. using the same micro-compositions throughout, but giving people 2 or 3 versions of each sound using different instruments.

It does appear to me that Vista's veered too close to the apple "one-size-damn-well-better-fit-all" approach. Strong branding's alright, but I'd like a few more knobs to fiddle with (all around the UX, not just on the sounds front.)"

Good observation, Massif -- we wanted to provide additional inbox Sound Schemes besides the default set, but in the end, that plan did not fit into ship schedule.    Of course, it is still relatively easy for users who really wish to create their own Personalized sound schemes using their own sounds.

In our original Sound Scheme plan, recommended that we ship a 'minimalist' scheme, a 'home' scheme a 'Fripp' scheme, and a 'Classic XP' scheme along side the default Windows Vista sound scheme -- although these sounds and sound schemes exist, it was not considered to a priority to get these inbox relative to the very hard task of sticking to the RTM date.

So these remain an available aspiration for future releases.

Also, I would not necessarily characterize the default sounds we chose as 'homogenised lowest common denominator.'    IMHO, 'lowest common denominator' would be silence.   As I've mentioned elsewhere, the primary driving influence for the design of the default sounds was to offer a subtle compliment the translucent, rounded, AERO glass UI.

I hope this helps provide some context for this default sound UX (and I also hope that we'll find an appropriate ship vehicle for some of the other great stuff we captured in these sessions.)

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Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Massif — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:11:35 GMT

You don't appear to have answered the Personalisation vs. Branding question.

I can understand the need not to create the most homogenised lowest common denominator sound, but that doesn't mean leaving everyone with a single soundscape.

Couldn't the same sounds be recorded in a slightly different set of instruments / styles just to give a bit of leeway for users to customise their experience? e.g. using the same micro-compositions throughout, but giving people 2 or 3 versions of each sound using different instruments.

It does appear to me that Vista's veered too close to the apple "one-size-damn-well-better-fit-all" approach. Strong branding's alright, but I'd like a few more knobs to fiddle with (all around the UX, not just on the sounds front.)

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

SteveBall — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:36:06 GMT

"Posted by Minh // Sat, Mar 3, 2007 1:40 PM

This is a great revelation into one particular aspect of Vista that I find inspirational. I get to see the people who try to put "soul" into Vista. But the thing about the Vista audio experience is...

There is NO Vista audio experience."

Thanks Minh - this is actually by design.

It was our goal for the default inbox sounds to be just noticeable enough that if they weren’t there you would notice, but when you do hear them, they don’t get in your way.

Like the the rest of the AERO interface, then new sounds in Windows Vista are glassy, ”rounded” and “translucent.” The default sound scheme in Windows Vista is much gentler and softer than the more literal pianos and orchestral sounds used in previous versions of Windows.

We also tried to get some of these beautiful Fripp soundscapes into the product in other places, but it was too late in the produt cycle to add sonic content so, for example, you could listen to a soothing Soundscape during the install or upgrade process.  In the end, shipping Vista on time was (obviously) the more important goal.
This also does not mean that we don't have aspirations to do something significant with the additional music and sounds from these sessions in future releases.

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Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

SteveBall — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:03:06 GMT

This video accompanies the first video from first the Nov session: This might be a more appropriate wikipedia link for Soundscapes.

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

gatesof — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:08:32 GMT

Outstanding material here. First Eno with Win 95, now Robert Fripp. Amazing. These soundscapes are pure Fripp. For anyone interested in more ambient work like this by Fripp, check out Fripp & Enos Evening Star LP. Very similar in texture and composition to some of this.

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Chadk — Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:03:43 GMT

Minh wrote:
This is a great revelation into one particular aspect of Vista that I find inspirational. I get to see the people who try to put "soul" into Vista. But the thing about the Vista audio experience is...

There is NO Vista audio experience.

The various system sounds are much too short & too generic (all applications share the same sounds) to be emotional. The much talked-about start-up sound, while interesting, doesn't make enough of an appearance to be noticed. I don't reboot my computers anymore. I simply close my laptop, causing it to go to sleep, to be awaken (not rebooted) later.

I think that an audio experience was planned, but it can only come from the applications themselves (the shows), not the O/S (NBC). I'm guessing that it got cut so that Vista can make its release date.

I'm hopping to see all the hard work seen here makes it into the next version of Windows, Vienna.

Sadly i agree.
I didnt notice any sounds before i heard this sound when theres an error, which got really annoying.

Such a shame. I really liked the sound in this video.

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Brian Keller — Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:28:33 GMT

Minh wrote:
There is NO Vista audio experience.

The various system sounds are much too short & too generic (all applications share the same sounds) to be emotional. The much talked-about start-up sound, while interesting, doesn't make enough of an appearance to be noticed.

I know what you're saying, Minh - but it is better than the alternative. :D

Brian

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Minh — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:40:01 GMT

This is a great revelation into one particular aspect of Vista that I find inspirational. I get to see the people who try to put "soul" into Vista. But the thing about the Vista audio experience is...

There is NO Vista audio experience.

The various system sounds are much too short & too generic (all applications share the same sounds) to be emotional. The much talked-about start-up sound, while interesting, doesn't make enough of an appearance to be noticed. I don't reboot my computers anymore. I simply close my laptop, causing it to go to sleep, to be awaken (not rebooted) later.

I think that an audio experience was planned, but it can only come from the applications themselves (the shows), not the O/S (NBC). I'm guessing that it got cut so that Vista can make its release date.

I'm hopping to see all the hard work seen here makes it into the next version of Windows, Vienna.

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Charles — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:50:06 GMT

Chadk wrote:

Charles wrote:

Chadk wrote: Is this video old?

Theres a scoble interview in it. Is he back to C9, or?

This was shot in May '06...
C

Oh i see.
Whats the reason for not pushing this video out before now? :D

We couldn't release until after Vista shipped... This is a historical video that is as pertinent now and into the future as it was when it was shot... Of course, there's the fact that Scoble lost the original source tape so finding this footage (he managed to rip a low quality WMV - the one you're watching- from the tape and store it on an obscure share) was both lucky and surprising :)
C

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Chadk — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:19:51 GMT

Charles wrote:

Chadk wrote: Is this video old?

Theres a scoble interview in it. Is he back to C9, or?

This was shot in May '06...
C

Oh i see.
Whats the reason for not pushing this video out before now? :D

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Charles — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:33:01 GMT

Chadk wrote:
Is this video old?

Theres a scoble interview in it. Is he back to C9, or?

This was shot in May '06...
C

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Chadk — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:38:26 GMT

Is this video old?

Theres a scoble interview in it. Is he back to C9, or?

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

RidiculousX — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:31:01 GMT

Wow, good stuff. Sounds nothing like a guitar.

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

Charles — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:16:08 GMT

dentaku wrote:

I never realized how much Jenny and Tjeerd where involved in the audio part of the UX.

I'd love to see what kind of sounds the members of Mùm would create for an OS.

Steve Ball is a calm reflective person, in a marketing type person kinda way. He's a bit too "slick" for C9 videos :)

You can think of sounds in Vista as sonic UE, so you better believe Jenny and Tjeerd would be involved (and Jim Allchin, Steve Ball and many others...)

Steve is not in Marketing. He's a product guy and runs the Vista audio team... He's also a great musician and long time friend of Fripp.

C

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

dentaku — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:56:34 GMT

I never realized how much Jenny and Tjeerd where involved in the audio part of the UX.

I'd love to see what kind of sounds the members of Mùm would create for an OS.

Steve Ball is a calm reflective person, in a marketing type person kinda way. He's a bit too "slick" for C9 videos :)

Re: Making Windows Vista Sing: Robert Fripp and the Vista Melody

jsampsonPC — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:19:52 GMT

All I need is a couple hours of this on my iPod...this stuff is beautiful.