Miguel de Icaza and Dragos Manolescu: On Open Source, Mono and Moonlight | Charles

Charles
Welcome Change

Kevin Daly wrote:
I've just downloaded the WMA file: Miguel is always worth hearing from.

As for the video, sadly it seems that Channel9 has recently moved to a A Not Realistically Available Outside The US model - remember guys, in most of the world we're stuck with download caps. Whatever happened to those nice manageable 200mb files?
It's not like this apsires to be great art or anything, I'd rather have bandwidth than video quality.

Is the low res file provided not low res enough for you?

PerfectPhase
"This is not war, this is pest control!" - Dalek to Cyberman

Kevin Daly wrote:
I've just downloaded the WMA file: Miguel is always worth hearing from.

As for the video, sadly it seems that Channel9 has recently moved to a A Not Realistically Available Outside The US model - remember guys, in most of the world we're stuck with download caps. Whatever happened to those nice manageable 200mb files?
It's not like this apsires to be great art or anything, I'd rather have bandwidth than video quality.

I'm in the UK and the full bitrate download poses no issue to me.

Add as many versions as you like, but remember that there are those of us out here that have no issue with the higher bandwith versions. Infact charles, when you going to go and buy a HD camera? Smiley

mtz

any comments about starting shooting in widescreen? 16:9 is a lot nicer tha 4:3 ..most video here seem to be abnormally streated to 4:3 (to me atleast)

nice discussion though ...(should have said this in my earlier post) ..

j0217995

littleguru wrote:

CplCarrot wrote:Miguel in his considered and pragmatic approach does more to promote open source than any "beer" loving troll could ever do.
I do hope we can get more from him.
Good catch Charles

++ awesome discussion!

I would echo those thoughts as well. he was better advocate for the Oopen Source world then any other advocate out there. well spoken, well organized and very understanding of both "sides" of the issue. HOpe too see hime more on here.... been a while since I wathced a video the entire way through.

Great job team

aL_
Rx ftw

awsome interview, great work as always charles:) one thing tho that i think all interviewers on c9 needs to remember is that alot of people has a very negative view of microsoft as evil oppressors of doom. i know youre just joking around with miguel there at the end but i think some of the people that are in the grayzone between liking and disliking microsoft might be turned of by that kind of stuff Smiley

same thing when you corrected Dan Ingalls when he said we should "google" the livley kernel. again, i know you where just kidding around and i think most niners got that as well but the people who are demonizing microsoft will jump at that kind of thing i think..
(then again, one could argue that those people whould find something to prove the evilness of microsoft no matter what was said in the interviews Smiley

)

i've always loved c9 and i always point to it when someone is bashing microsoft to prove to them that real, dedicated, passionate people work there that are not at all evil.

i think c9 has changed many many peoples minds about microsoft and i think alot of that comes from the complete lack of arrogance in the c9 interviews Smiley

i think your mothership jokes are great for breaking the ice and lightening things up, but i guess my point is that it has to be made sure that its obbvious that you are kidding (again, 99.99 of times, it is obvious, but microsoft is on some thin ice with some people:))

again, great interview, sorry if i sound critical, you havent really done anything wrong, the intreviews are great, i just want to make sure they stay that way Smiley

i also think its great to hear from miguel at c9 and it whould be really cool to hear more from him and the mono guys.. after all some people will always distrust microsoft or feel more comfortable using other platforms, but with mono/moonligh, .net can reach those people too Smiley

mtz wrote:

..free software is a political movement and that is what microsoft as a propietary softwre company has a problem with ideology, not model ..

i personally feel that the foss guys has a problem with microsoft rather than the other way around Smiley

in my view, microsoft regards foss as any other competitor, no more no less Smiley

but hey, thats just my oppinion, i dont want to start a war here Wink

Yankee

Nice to see a Romanian on Channel 9! Big Smile

dotservant

Have always been following Linux based open source development and very little on Microsoft's effort, perhaps this is a good time to start by looking at the two open source program by Miguel and the team.

MetaGunny

Most people misunderstand open source. They think it's about code, but really it's not, that is just one facet of the debate.

The core of open source is really a philosophy, and the philosophy they believe in is more along the lines of communism or to be nice socialism.

"From each according to ability, to each according to need."

In the same way communists believe individuals should not have property rights, and that all property is the right of the state. That is why they believe that no company should have "propietary code", and that all code should be open source. In other words, the indiivudal shouldn't have their own property, and in this case the "code" should belong to everyone, the community, for the "greater good". The same reason they think IP, copyrights, or patents shouldn't exist.

They say this is really the only way to have freedom, but the truth is it's the complete opposite of freedom.

In fact, just about every logical reason they state that they are for "open source" or really a broader philsophy, they get the opposite result.

The main point here is when talking\debating to a proponent of open source, just remember the debate isn't about code.

MetaGunny

One last comment:

Microsoft, just because we aren't vocal, doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people out there that DON'T want you to open source any of your code.

You paid someone to write it, you own it. If you think you did a great job with it, or people could benefit from it and it's not material to your business, then share it with the world.