Comment Feed for Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3 (Charles on Channel 9)

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:58:18 GMT

Hi,

Glad you enjoyed the conversation! Watch this video for an Expression 3 intro and tour: http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Continuum/First-Look-at-Expression-Blend-3/

C

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

prasannap — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:24:44 GMT

Hi Charles, Scott G

Great interview, very informative & to the point.

1. Would love to hear few case-studies, on new feature implemnentations
2. If we can get some demo on "Expression Blend" that was spoken about in this video, that would be a great selling point for us to our customers (end-to-end demo please)
3. Is there any focus on conducting a Training session on "How to use Expression Blend" in a real-life scenario. I see quite a few webcasts/demos, a free training session would be appreciated.

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

waxpoetic — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:46:36 GMT

Totaly agree, I was hoping those features for SL3 but ... :)

Anyway it will be a great update for SL, i hope as we develop in SL much and much more SL will be more and more exciting in the upcomming releases.

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Ian Walker — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:42:49 GMT

Who travels coast to coast, hangs out with Playboy babes and then comes up with two, completely different, but still completely engaging keynotes?

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:36:19 GMT

Thanks!
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Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Judah — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:05:32 GMT

Great interview, both of you guys. I like the relaxed feel to the whole thing. Very informative as well. Great job, Charles and Gu.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:24:08 GMT

Interestingly, I had no idea this happened until my girlfriend pointed it out. As you get older, apparently your sensory system weakens...

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Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:22:01 GMT

Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, Scott rocks. He's a VP who is also a software engineer and a true geek. Great stuff.

I'll pass the toolbar issue to Duncan for a look-see.

C

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

ChrisStepaniuk — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:13:57 GMT

As always Charles, stunning interview. Scott is one of those rare people who can talk in generalizations and not stumble over what he's saying or sound like he's reading form cue cards.

I can't wait to try Silverlight 3 and with GPU support, it's going to be even more interesting.

Thanks for kicking ass!

p.s.. I keep receiving the error, "toolbar could not be found" after I comment, I'm using Firefox btw.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Sven Groot — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:21:26 GMT

Youch! I burned myself on an oven a few years ago and you can still see the scar on my left arm.

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

radekg — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:59:47 GMT

This really sounds great! I can't wait for my VM to install and configure.
BTW. I just jad an idea, MS has SQL CE and it is just files, SL has a local storage for files. It would be really great if SL had a SQL CE driver built in and all SQL APIs exposed. That would be really killer feature for offline apps. No need for g***** gears.
Cheers!

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

RickBullotta — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:13:27 GMT

Not to flog a dead equine, but the lack of a low-level Drawing API (like WPF, Flash, and other RIA frameworks offer) really limits the applicability of Silverlight to line of business applications (and games) that need large #'s of graphical elements/shapes. A classic example would be a complex chart, which just isn't performant in SL today due to the need to create (in some cases) tens of thousands of shape objects.

I would REALLY like to see more compatibility with WPF (and more parity with Flex/Flash) in this area, and SL3 would be a great place to do it. Odds are that the rendering engine in SL has such an API, but just doesn't expose it...

Thoughts?

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Edward Moemeka — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:21:12 GMT

okay okay. I dont care about nasty fonts anymore. Expression Blend 3 is off the chain! I can actually mova and resize the toolbar and other panes! Code IN the designer ! but wait, there's more.
We've got SaveFileDialog, NavigationServices, etc.

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

DCMonkey — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:42:48 GMT

Yeah, I find it odd that MS is pushing SL for LOB apps when it's missing such basic amenities.

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Bent Rasmussen — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:23:41 GMT

Scott really knows how to argue a case. This really sounds compelling. The talk about the sketch templates and navigation made me think about Workflows and Workflow Foundation. Might be an interesting piece to add to the Silverlight equation. Even a hosted Workflow designer showing the current state of a workflow, manual or automatic. And with browser-hosted databases starting to become a reality, even something such as "Oslo" in the browser and model-driven Silverlight.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Allan Lindqvist — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:56:33 GMT

ouch :S ive burnt myself on ovens and it sucks :P hopefully the liquids you imbibed eased the pain :)
great video still ;)

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:46:23 GMT

Did you install the SL3 bits that are linked to above? If not, why not?
C

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Ship — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:41:17 GMT

I installed Microsoft Expression3 from the link given above and ran the Silverlight 3 samples (Memory Card & Image Gallery). They are prompting me to install the latest version of Silverlight , which i thought was 3, but the FW link still goes to the 2.0 installer. Hence the local site complains even after successful installation.

However the WPF samples are great. Nice to see silverlight running in WPF.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:57:44 GMT

I burned myself while taking something out of the oven. Not sure what it was (which is probably related to why I burned myself -> drinking ethanol infused liquids and cooking....)

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Re: Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

kettch — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:47:42 GMT

Nah, just right.

It looks like the layout system still only supports render transformations and not layout transforms. Is this correct?

It's been the subject of much pain for me in the past. If it weren't for David Anson's implementation, I'd be sunk a hundred times over.

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

ZippyV — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:32:39 GMT

No webcam support = fail.

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

figuerres — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:17:24 GMT

Not to speak for the Sl team folks but as I recall they said keyboard support for some stuff was a pia.
not all keyboards on all systems use the same scan codes for some keys.

pc keyboards do but another OS has some very odd ways of doing stuff.

and recall that SL is meant to work on a number of systems...

Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

rhm — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:56:38 GMT

"we can hydrate your machine"

Nice! :)

Re: Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

vesuvius — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:48:27 GMT

No, not too long, just very relaxed, almost like a Sunday morning.

Scott has that rare quality of always being engaging, there was a lot to discuss, and some things that will make using Prism less difficult, like binding to another control in the same XAML.

What I cannot believe, is that a subsequent version is smaller than the previous, especially with all the new features. I had always seen the archilles heel of Silverlight being 4MB->7MB->15MB between versions, but this is headline news.

The compression may have been improved, but knowing that Silverlight 2 needed to have as small a footprint as possible, must mean that very dark arts are being practiced by the team.

Re: Re: Scott Guthrie: Inside Silverlight 3

Charles — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:30:35 GMT

Languid, eh? Too long?
C