Windows Live Mail Desktop beta | Duncan Mackenzie

BryanStarbuck

"Active Search" is a feature that isn't shown in the video, and it allows you to switch away from the graphical ads.

Details about Active Search on the product blog:
http://spaces.msn.com/MoreThanMail/

Bryan Starbuck

blindlizard
monsterlizard.com

Oh my please no more presentations like this, I feel like I am at work watching a sales webEx

JEmlay

The new search looks awesome!

I noticed while discussing the backup/protection features you didn't mention the transactional log files. Please tell me you got rid of them!!! Because, that's the one main issue I have with WLMD and WM for that mater. It seems to be apart of the core WM engine?

Issue:
Every time you open WLMD it creates a NEW 16MB transactional log file. These files only go away when you reboot and/or compact the DB. I have an email store with 90 emails in it (no attachments) and it's over 1GB in size because of these bazillion log files. Our users here do not turn off their machines at night and giving the user CHOICE to compact (yes/cancel) is not an option either. So when we start to deploy this app for those that want it it's going to be an issue.

Is there a way to turn this log off? Or have it tunicate on exit? On load?

Honestly I don't want 3 layers of protection. If the DB can reconstruct itself on the fly I see no need for a backup. If it takes a little while to reconstruct the DB then so be it. How often will it happen anyway? Our mail stores will run over the network and they get backed up to tape. So data loss is not an issue for them. So as long as that DB can reconstruct on the fly I don't need redundant data on the disc. However even with that said I'm perfectly willing to deal with the DB backup especially since this app isn't intended for the way our users will eventually use it (over the network). But please please please either let us turn off the logging or let us tunicate it on exit/load or just plain get rid of it!!! Big Smile

Awesome work guys! This is truly shaping up to be an awesome app. I showed this video to a few people that are Anti-WLMD (they just think it's dumb and pointless) and after seeing a preview of some of the new features they didn't have much to say afterward Cool

cain

Duncan, you're videos always seem to have mono audio and it makes it really painful to watch otherwise great videos Sad

. Any chance you could do something about that?

keeron
Obsessive Geek

I am almost 75% into the video, and this hasn't been answered yet ...

Just confused.. We have:

Outlook Express (6.0, etc)
Microsoft Outlook (2007, etc)
Windows Mail (on Vista)
Windows Live Mail (on the web / hotmail replacement)
Windows Live Mail Desktop (the one in the video Smiley

)
MSN Explorer / outlook

The thing that confuses me is that we should only have:

Windows Live Mail Desktop (or a better name) for XP/Vista
Microsoft Outlook (as part of the office system)
Windows Live Mail (on the web)

Currently, I'd end up with Windows Mail (on Vista) and Windows Live Mail Desktop. They both are very similar, although the Desktop client offers more features, but essentially comparable. I understand that the Windows Mail won't be shipping for XP, but then why have Windows Mail on Vista? Why not just use the Windows Live Mail Desktop client?

ok, so maybe this wasn't a confusing question afterall...I just made it more confusing Smiley

JEmlay

keeron wrote:
I am almost 75% into the video, and this hasn't been answered yet ...

Just confused.. We have:

The thing that confuses me is that we should only have:

Windows Live Mail Desktop (or a better name) for XP/Vista
Microsoft Outlook (as part of the office system)
Windows Live Mail (on the web)

They answered it by stating it flat out instead of qualifying the question/answer first. Think of WLMD as Windows Mail except it also has Windows Live integration. If you forced WLMD on every desktop then you would also have to force the use of Windows Live on everyone as well. If you do NOT have a Windows Live account then when you buy Vista you'll have a normal mail client called Windows Mail to use if wish to do so. If you want to integrate all your Windows Live Services then you'll use WLMD instead.

keeron
Obsessive Geek

Thanks for that explanation.

Its a funny situation for someone who wants the Live service integration, uses Vista and also uses the Office system (say, 2007 Office).

So now I end up with:

MS Office 2007 for my exchange server account
WLMD client for my "WLM" account, RSS, Spaces, Newsgroups,
Not-used mail client - Windows Mail (on Vista)

Optic

JEmlay wrote:

Think of WLMD as Windows Mail except it also has Windows Live integration. If you forced WLMD on every desktop then you would also have to force the use of Windows Live on everyone as well.

Hi JEmlay,

What makes you say that? My take on it is that WLMD is Windows Mail with Hotmail/WLM integration as you said. However, that doesn't mean that a Windows ID is "forced" on everyone, does it?

From what I can see it still does POP3, IMAP, NNTP and RSS. Why couldn't you just use it as your POP3 client without a Windows Live ID/Passport?

I have exactly the same question as keeron. It seems to me that they are writing two new mail clients at the same time, and WLMD is a superset of Windows Mail. Why do both?

It's confusing.

Seeya Smiley

Optic