Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Lang.NEXT 2012 http://files.channel9.msdn.com/thumbnail/36fc280b-b217-47ca-ac95-9e89324ed114.png Channel 9 - Lang.NEXT 2012 Lang.NEXT 2012 is a cross-industry conference for programming language designers and implementers held on the MIcrosoft Campus in Redmond, Washington, April 2-4, 2012. With three days of talks, panels and discussion on leading programming language work from industry and research, Lang.NEXT is the place to learn, share ideas and engage with fellow programming language design experts and enthusiasts. Native, functional, imperative, object oriented, static, dynamic, managed, interpreted... It's a programming language geek fest. (And it's free) Register here!We have a great cast of characters speaking at this year's event. Experts and iconoclasts include:Andrei Alexandrescu, Facebook Andy Gordon, Microsoft Andy Moran, Galois  Donna Malayeri, Microsoft Dustin Campbell, Microsoft Erik Meijer, Microsoft Gilad Bracha, Google Herb Sutter, Microsoft James Noble, Victoria University of Wellington Jeroen Frijters, Sumatra Software John Cook, University of Texas Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences Kim Bruce, Pomona College Kunle Olukotun, Stanford Luke Hoban, Microsoft Mads Torgersen, Microsoft Martin Odersky, EPFL, Typesafe Martyn Lovell, Microsoft Peter Alvaro, University of California at Berkeley Robert Griesemer, Google Walter Bright, Digital Mars William Cook, University of Texas at Austin   Sessions will be recorded and C9 interviews will take place! en Sun, 19 May 2013 01:26:12 GMT Sun, 19 May 2013 01:26:12 GMT Rev9 Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 posted by Ivan

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670659766569839 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:32:56 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670659766569839 Ivan Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 I would love to attend a conference like this. While I'm not a language designer, I do consider myself something of a polyglot programmer, and it would be awesome to hear what designers talk about at a conference like this.

posted by jonathansampson

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670705299889769 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:48:49 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670705299889769 jonathansampson Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 I think there's a bit too much focus (atleast on marketing side) on the languages, there's so much other things, many of which were briefly mentioned in the GoingNative panel talk points/audience questions that seem to be getting next to no "marketing" while they are very much key to productivity. I see a lot of videos in past years with "language rock stars" but I'd like to hear more on those other things.

Also I think it would be good to balance all the other language/compiler (and speakers talking about very exciting stuff being done in other companies) soon with some stuff that is from Microsoft. Otherwise there's a risk that people will get a "done" feeling. By that I mean: What has happened to Notepad (the editor control that it uses)? Not a whole lot, atleast in terms of supporting unixy line endings which are mandatory for notepad because notepad is the default editor for .txt and .txt often have different line-endings. MS always has some compatibility reason. Well I say, you have WinSXS taking seemingly gigabytes already, so why not add a new version of the control (or CLR or whatever) that goes boldly where the previous version can't go due to compatiblity reason/existing adoption hindering it?

posted by androidi

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670947841999672 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:33:04 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670947841999672 androidi Re: Lang.NEXT 2012

, androidi wrote

I think there's a bit too much focus (atleast on marketing side) on the languages, there's so much other things, many of which were briefly mentioned in the GoingNative panel talk points/audience questions that seem to be getting next to no "marketing" while they are very much key to productivity. I see a lot of videos in past years with "language rock stars" but I'd like to hear more on those other things.

Could you be more specific? What do you mean, exactly?
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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670959543459456 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:52:34 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670959543459456 Charles Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 @Charles: I don't want to name anything specific, just that both the clang talk and the questions during the panels were talking about many other things that have impact*. I have to add that you have had good bit of functional programming and STL visibility here, and things like IntelliTrace and DebuggerCanvas are exciting but I just wish there were more of this non-language stuff thrown around, especially if it's stuff that MS has advantage of doing because they could, if they wanted, take all parts of the end-to-end development experience further than what's the norm today.

I guess I just got spoiled with the language stars videos talking about language futures often quite often here, and when there's not as much futures talk around other things besides the language, the "law of rising expectations" kicked in and I was expecting to hear similar amount of hype around other things.  Wink

* By impact I mean, a lot of the things in GoingNative were things that maybe C# developers take for granted. So having those in C++ is exciting, but what would be exciting for C# developers? How about things that C/C++ is good at, or completely novel stuff thats only possible if you have exclusive access to modify language, libraries, IDE, debugger and OS to make some compelling feature happen? I don't know what would that be, but it would certainly excite C# guys like me. Wink

posted by androidi

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670985756389313 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:36:15 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634670985756389313 androidi Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 @androidi: Thanks for explaining. I understand. It's a fair point (well, there's more than one point you're making...). Feedback noted.

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671007529779162 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:12:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671007529779162 Charles Re: Lang.NEXT 2012

, androidi wrote

How about things that C/C++ is good at, or completely novel stuff thats only possible if you have exclusive access to modify language, libraries, IDE, debugger and OS to make some compelling feature happen? I don't know what would that be, but it would certainly excite C# guys like me. Wink

Oh it sounds like you are talking about Microsoft's "Technical Strategy and Incubation" group (aka Midori), so how about that?

You will write code in a language like C# that has the performance characteristics of C++

https://careers.microsoft.com/jobdetails.aspx?jid=67287

Midori is tackling the most exciting problems in cloud computing and big data platforms, with advances in operating systems, programming languages, networks, and security. We're rethinking computing from the ground up, and incubating ideas with the potential to transform our industry.

https://careers.microsoft.com/jobdetails.aspx?jid=75312

posted by felix9

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671174022024236 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:50:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671174022024236 felix9 Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 posted by Ivan

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671555176006023 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:25:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671555176006023 Ivan Re: Lang.NEXT 2012 @Ivan: Yep. That's the plan.

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671676854899117 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:48:05 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LangNEXT-2012#c634671676854899117 Charles