Comment Feed for Channel 9 - Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond http://ak.channel9.msdn.com/ch9/60fa/72b6d24b-9e8a-4b4a-b3f5-9f41015b60fa/CB2011ScottAndreiHerbC9Interview_100_ch9.jpg Channel 9 - Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond I was able to attend C++ and Beyond 2011 and it was a tremendous experience. The technical depth and C++ goodness was profound and lasted for 3 whole days (and two evenings). Thanks Andrei Alexandrescu, Scott Meyers and Herb Sutter for allowing me to crash your affair with my camera - which was perhaps too big and too advanced for the likes of me - still, I was abe to capture some great content, the first of which is this one: a C9 conversation with Scott, Andrei and Herb about C++ and beyond... Andrei Alexandrescu is the co-designer of the D programming language, technical author and research scientist at Facebook. He is also one of the world's C++ (and D...) template masters. His talk on PBD (policy based design) incorporated the mind bending use of variadic variadic template templates. As Gilad Bracha says, learning is brain damage.Thanks for the headache, Andrei! Scott Meyers is one of the most respected C++ practioners in the industry. He is the author of Effective C++, More Effective C++, and Effective STL. Scott's talks on the C++11 Memory Model and Perfect Forwarding were outstanding. I wish we could post them here Herb Sutter runs the C++11 ISO committee and is one of the world's leading C++ authorities. Congratulations to Herb and the rest of the people involved with pushing the language forward on the recent ratification of the C++11 international standard (treaty)! Herb's also Microsoft's architect for native programming languages, with an emphasis on C++. We'll find out here what Herb thinks of D. Much thanks to Scott, Andrei and Herb for allowing me to randomize them right after the event ended to film this conversation. We spend a fair amount of time exploring the Beyond part of the equation. I know Niners will be extremely pleased to see three C++ titans appearing on C9 at the same time! Excellent. Highlights: [00:00] Event debriefing [01:38] Scott on C++ developers [03:18] Modern C++ [04:17] Why D, Andrei? [17:25] What problems does D solve that C++ can't?[22:03] C++ and D interoperability (COM is old, but COM is good!) [24:22] C++11 and Beyond[26:01] Herb, ISO C++ Committee's next phase - what are you going to do?[28:22] Scott, Andrei and Herb share perspectives on the ISO standards process, philosophies of language design, what C++ gets wrong, what it gets right[49:48] Perspectives on this year's event and if/when C++ and Beyond will happen again Tune in. Enjoy. PS: If you can attend the next C++ and Beyond, whenever it may happen, I can't recommend it highly enough. Go. Follow @cppandbeyond to get updates and info on when/where the three amigos will get together again. en Sun, 19 May 2013 03:15:27 GMT Sun, 19 May 2013 03:15:27 GMT Rev9 Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond All are my heros ! downloading it !

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498100090000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:13:29 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498100090000000 felix9 Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Totally. These dudes are mythic! Downloading.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498135510000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:12:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498135510000000 tomkirbygreen Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Sweet!  Downloading.  Can't wait to see the C++&B coverage.  I really would have liked to have been there.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498153010000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:41:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498153010000000 ryanb Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Ok guys, another person to leech your band, I'm downloading it too Big Smile

@ryanb: keep a sharp look on http://cppandbeyond.com/category/general/, some photos already available, but because some incidents not all materials will be there Sad

posted by new2STL

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498158580000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:50:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498158580000000 new2STL Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Downloaded!

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498189900000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:43:10 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498189900000000 George_Curelet_Balan Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @new2STL: There were incidents (like technical difficulties) in addition to the presenters not wanting to share their material broadly. I respect that given how much work they put into the unique material they presented. Besides this post, you will probably see one or two Herb sessions, three panel sessions (with the three amigos) and some attendee interviews.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498208020000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:13:22 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498208020000000 Charles Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond

,new2STL wrote

Ok guys, another person to leech your band, I'm downloading it too Big Smile

@ryanb: keep a sharp look onhttp://cppandbeyond.com/category/general/, some photos already available, but because someincidents not all materials will be there Sad

 

Yeah, I found that site (ironically enough) the same day the event was going on.  Oh well.  A day late and a dollar short yet again.

posted by ryanb

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498219430000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:32:23 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498219430000000 ryanb Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @ryanb: Well, you will at least get to see some content. It's a whole lot better than none. I thought this conversation, specifically, was killer.
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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498225640000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:42:44 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498225640000000 Charles Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Charles: I understand perfectly,maybe one day I can attend the event - would not mindpaying for content, something like a virtual ticket - but it's alright Wink Now is waitfor the fruits, likeEven More Effective C++  Big Smile

posted by new2STL

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498230750000000 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:51:15 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498230750000000 new2STL Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by Michail

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498315700000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:12:50 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498315700000000 Michail Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Michail: sure it does.. Click on one of the download inks (mp4). The inline player should default to HTML5 if you don't have Silverlight installed. The time links won't work without Silverlight I believe. I'll check on that. Please do watch this! It's a classic!

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498326920000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:31:32 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498326920000000 Charles Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by anon

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498356620000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:21:02 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498356620000000 anon Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @anon: interesting idea.

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posted by Charles

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498463580000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:19:18 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498463580000000 Denis Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond
I have more respect for Herb every time I hear him speak. He is both pinpoint accurate and eloquent (not to mention fiercely intelligent). He mentioned in another interview you did that he could imagine another native code language with the same semantics as C++ but with nicer, easier to parse, syntax. I think that is the real way to go, as much as I am enjoying the new features of C++11.

D is definitely interesting, particularly in the way you can write normal looking code that will run at compile time. One thing that seriously puts me off though is that it is unclear whether you can use the standard libraries without garbage collection enabled. Libraries are the place where your cleanest and most efficient code belongs!

It was very interesting to see the three of them together like that. It's easy to see how they all bring a different perspective which can only be a good thing.

Regards,

Ben

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498594670000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:47 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498594670000000 Ben Hanson Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Great to finally see Scott Meyers, Andrei is very engaging as interlocutor and it's always good to see Herb.

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498618700000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:37:50 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498618700000000 vesuvius Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by Brapster

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498779770000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:06:17 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498779770000000 Brapster Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Charles: So HTML 5 does support the time links, but our HTML 5 player doesn't work in FireFox (4,5 or 6... or 20, which comes out tomorrow) because they don't support the h264 video codec. In FireFox though, the Silverlight player works perfectly fine, as do our download links. We want everyone to watch our videos Smiley

posted by Duncanma

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498920060000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:00:06 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498920060000000 Duncanma Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Duncanma: Thanks Duncan!

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498947610000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:46:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634498947610000000 Charles Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by Alexandre Jasmin

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499068810000000 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:08:01 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499068810000000 Alexandre Jasmin Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by Super Mario

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499245340000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 03:02:14 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499245340000000 Super Mario Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Super Mario: I don't know anything about the D language but I think they were only referring to the use of the vtbl as a mean to expose object interfaces across languages. Not the whole of COM.

posted by ajasmin

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499267940000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 03:39:54 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499267940000000 ajasmin Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Super Mario: I said COM is good. Herb, Scott and Andrei said COM is old (in that it's been around for quite some time, is widely used and well, doesn't suck because it's old (deduction, not quote)) and that it enables D and C++ to interoporate (the context in which COM was discussed here), where possible...

So, I said COM is good. This means, quite simply, ignore it, Listen to what Herb, Scott and Andrei say...

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499340260000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:40:26 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499340260000000 Charles Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by Peter Jonas

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499421580000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 07:55:58 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499421580000000 Peter Jonas Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Not some uwe

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]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499706160000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:50:16 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499706160000000 Herb Sutter Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Thanks, "true". Erwin Unruh indeed. In our defense, his name contains all of the letters in "Uwe" :o).

posted by andrei_alexandrescu

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499729470000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:29:07 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499729470000000 andrei_alexandrescu Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @andrei_alexandrescu: Welcome to C9, Andrei! Smiley

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posted by Charles

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499747210000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:58:41 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499747210000000 Charles Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @Alexandre Jasmin: we've considered it. I'm pretty sure we don't need to list the WMA (one audio format is sufficient for the download list) so it wouldn't really be a UX issue to add one. I started looking at the state of encoders a few months back, perhaps I'll revisit it. It would be nice if our HTML 5 support worked across a few more browsers.

posted by Duncanma

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499781509594652 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:55:50 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499781509594652 Duncanma Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by smiling politely

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499961210000000 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:55:21 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634499961210000000 smiling politely Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond Quite a nice video.

Thanks for sharing it.

posted by Moondevil

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634500291190000000 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:05:19 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634500291190000000 Moondevil Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond posted by rab36

]]> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634500744910000000 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:41:31 GMT http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Scott-Meyers-Andrei-Alexandrescu-and-Herb-Sutter-C-and-Beyond#c634500744910000000 rab36 Re: Scott Meyers, Andrei Alexandrescu and Herb Sutter: C++ and Beyond @rab36: In terms of books, you'll learn about that during one of the 3 panel discussions with Herb, Andrei and Scott that will appear on C9 over the coming months. Smiley Much thanks to the three titans for allowing us to air them.

In terms of C++ conferences, I have a feeling you'll see more of them in the future.

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