Jason Anderson - Late night with the Burton team (Visual Studio Team System), Part I

Posted By: The Channel 9 Team | Jul 15th, 2004 @ 1:37 PM | 80,330 Views | 26 Comments
This is a different kind of video for Channel 9.

Two weeks ago Robert Scoble, one of the five guys who works on Channel 9, held a geek dinner. He holds those regularly at a food court near Microsoft -- this one was held in honor of security expert Dana Epp, who was in Seattle to attend a conference. At the geek dinner, a discussion -- er, it was really almost a fight -- started between two members of the Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Tom Arnold and Jason Anderson, and several other attendees at the dinner.

Tom and Jason smoothed things over and invited the entire crowd back over to campus to get a demo of the Visual Studio Team System. They ended up staying until almost midnight.

We've split the video up into four pieces. The whole thing is two-hours long. Here's the first piece. Let us know if you enjoy this. If so, we'll do more longer presentations like this.

Oh, several bloggers wrote about the event. Here's some of their blog reports on the dinner and the meeting (you'll see these guys in the video too -- they hadn't seen VSTS before, and their questions are answered):

Randy Holloway
Steve Maine
Dana Epp
Don Alvarez (we couldn't find a blog from him)
Todd Bishop (he writes Seattle PI's Microsoft Blog)

Starting around the table on the left is Randy Holloway, Dana Epp, Todd Bishop, Steve Maine, and Don Alvarez.

Also at the dinner was Anita Rowland (among others). Here's her writeup. If you're ever in the Seattle area, let us know and we'll throw you a dinner. Maybe you'll even get to see something cool demoed like this.

Update: Part II is here.
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#Jul 15th, 2004 @ 2:58 PM
twoelfer
twoelfer
yeah, sure - 10.000 tests.

if visual studio was usable with 10.000 files in 25 projects that would be great.

which it is not.

do i really want to add 10.000 test cases to that?

quite frankly, i don't.

i'm happy if it doesn't crash on my team with funny '?' exceptions every day...

maybe the 'team system' really is a great thing - but until the studio isn't much more stable than it is today, i'm certainly not going to move any more jobs/projects to it. and certainly not 10 thousands of it.

WM_MY0.02$
thomas woelfer
#Jul 15th, 2004 @ 3:02 PM
JamesC
JamesC

The more in-depth the videos are, the more exciting the viewing experience is.  I definitely enjoyed it so keep 'em coming!

#Jul 15th, 2004 @ 3:09 PM
Sampy
Sampy
This will be the sixth time we have destroyed it and we have become exceedingly efficient at it
Stress testing with large amounts of projects and files is something very much in the minds of us for Whidbey. We have extensive performance testing and ambitious goals.

Trust me, VS perf with large amounts of data is something we hear a lot about from customers and we're listening!
#Jul 15th, 2004 @ 4:00 PM
rhm
rhm
That's good to hear. I'm really keen on the msbuild functionality. It seems a lot of "real developers" if they use devstudio at all use make to build instead of using the project manager function. Thing is, I really hate make, half-baked unix relic that it is, and from what I've read msbuild is just the thing to finally put it out of its misery.

Anyway, on the subject of the team system stuff, I was thinking for a lot of that video "hey, this is just like Nunit/CSUnit/etc. but integrated" and then just as the guy was expanding on the more interesting tests it ended!

btw. Isn't this going to tread quite badly on the toes of quite a few 3rd part tools vendors? It sounds like a clone for TestComplete to pick one example.
#Jul 15th, 2004 @ 4:15 PM
Simo
Simo
With me it's a full-time job.

On multiple levels, this is great stuff.

1. You'd like to know if I enjoyed this... yes!! This is really what C9 is about.

2. I love the Visual Team system stuff, also big fan of MSBuild. To be fair I haven't tried it out yet. But as a corporate developer it's addressing all the issues I work with every day. I have a lot of time for the Team System guys, whoever sold the idea to the VS product manager deserves a great bonus... if you pull it off.

#Jul 15th, 2004 @ 9:02 PM
BorlandBoy
BorlandBoy
BorlandBoy
The longer videos are good, but would be helpful if we had a download link, rather than just a stream. Doesn't matter so much for the shorter ones.

Cheers
Malcolm
#Jul 16th, 2004 @ 12:08 AM
The Channel 9 Team
The Channel 9 Team
5 guys from Redmond
I'm catching up on getting downloadable videos up too.

I'll get the four of these up next week.
#Jul 16th, 2004 @ 2:39 AM
Senkwe Chanda
Senkwe Chanda
Downloadable videos would be great for those of us in countries like South Africa Smiley I'm curious though, why do you guys make it sound as if it's such a task to create downloadable videos? Surely this task can be automated, it doesn't need to be a manual process, afterall, most of us with bandwidth issues are using tools like NetTransport and SDP to download the streams to disk.
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