http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.pnghttp://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/Real World WPF : Designers and Developers working together?!http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/en-usThu, 03 May 2007 01:45:01 GMTThu, 03 May 2007 01:45:01 GMTEvNet (EvNet, Version=1.0.3608.3122, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null)It was very nice to see a comparison of the various approaches. I'll have to archive the video for later if/when I start using WPF.http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/?CommentID=307749Thu, 03 May 2007 01:45:01 GMThttp://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/?CommentID=3077490http://channel9.msdn.com/307749/WebViewBug.aspx?EVT=0It was very nice to see a comparison of the various approaches. I'll have to archive the video for later if/when I start using WPF.Zian Choy0http://channel9.msdn.com/307749/Trackback.aspxThis is an interesting video, and great to see something from Microsoft UK. I have to say, i've never quite understood the general animosity between designers and developers. The words 'chalk and cheese' spring to mind, but I think a lot of it stems from bruised egos and misplaced confidence on both sides of the fence.<BR>Most programmers fancy themselves as a bit of a designer too, most of us having done more than enough UI design in our time, and a lot of us being given total freedom over it on smaller projects.<BR>This leads to something which often seems to cause upset, namely programmers fiddling with the designers ideas on the quiet&nbsp;as we see fit during the implementation. I have to say, on reflection, I dont think i've seen designers fiddle with the code.<BR><BR>Having a good team is adsolutely critical, you should be able to get to the situation where the programmer trusts the designer's understanding&nbsp;enough to implement his or her designs as laid out, as he or she probably knows much more about design that you do, a fact which is difficult to accept sometimes. It's like putting on your best smartest clothes to impress, only to be shot down and bluntly told your style is awfully 90's.<BR><BR>I'm not saying that there should be a chasm&nbsp;dividing the them, far from it, thrashing these things out together is by definition 'working together', but there has to be a level of respect for each others role and judgement.<BR><BR>It's also very interesting, coming from an ASP.NET development side, that windows development is moving so closely towards a similar idea of the separation of code and layout. I mean, thats been happening the web development world for a long time. Web Development agencies who make a business of providing only&nbsp;layout and graphics are commonplace, but UI development agencies? I haven't heard of many, except for the excellent <a href="http://thirteen23.com/">thirteen23</a>&nbsp;and <a href="http://www.frogdesign.com/">frog design</a>&nbsp;who seem to have quickly taken up WPF for use in real projects. This separation, i think, will open up a huge new market, the same way we have 'We'll do the xhtml and graphics, you do the coding' kind of agencies now, except this time it'll be 'You do the C#, we'll do the xaml'. This is even more apparent when you consider the market positioning of applications such as Blend and Interactive Designer. A good example of what can be done with this kind of approach is the new <a href="http://messenger.yahoo.com/windowsvista.php">Yahoo! Messenger for Vista</a>&nbsp;, a taste of things to come, or so I hope.http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/?CommentID=303322Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:30:12 GMThttp://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/?CommentID=3033220http://channel9.msdn.com/303322/WebViewBug.aspx?EVT=0This is an interesting video, and great to see something from Microsoft UK. I have to say, i've never quite understood the general animosity between designers and developers. The words 'chalk and cheese' spring to mind, but I think a lot of it stems from bruised egos and misplaced confidence on both&#8230;MarkPerris0http://channel9.msdn.com/303322/Trackback.aspxNice video. Where can I find that wallpaper?http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/?CommentID=303169Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:16:51 GMThttp://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Real-World-WPF--Designers-and-Developers-working-together/?CommentID=3031690http://channel9.msdn.com/303169/WebViewBug.aspx?EVT=0Nice video. Where can I find that wallpaper?vaibhavkamath0http://channel9.msdn.com/303169/Trackback.aspx