Comment Feed for Learn how 10 was made (jeffsand on Channel 9)

Re: Learn how 10 was made

nizarcbd — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:21:16 GMT

Amazing yaar..............

I like your work...........I m sure that asp.net is the future of the web...................

Im new to this community................

Re: Learn how 10 was made

kamii47 — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:52:46 GMT

Failed on Opera :P
Signup registeration is not working :@

Re: Learn how 10 was made

kamii47 — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:55:16 GMT

As Far As I know it is based on atlas toolkit.
I want's to ask is there atlas update panel is also used.

I know atlas enable site not work on opera.
But this site is working on opera(I am using opera 9 beta).
Could anybodyexplain.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

mrichman — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:47:56 GMT

Any way to get the code for on10? I'd love to see how this stuff was done...Community Server is horrible to extend.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

Duncan Mackenzie — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:06:02 GMT

Joe Cool... So many questions....

Developing isn't really all that different, once you have it created... assuming you develop in a control-based model. Both here at C9/10 and on MSDN2 (my previous project) we wrote everything as controls, we never put any code into pages.

So, you want to create a profile editing page, you create a ProfileEdit control and stick that in a .aspx file in the project until you've figured out how (what URL pattern, etc..) you want to fit it into the larger site. Once you move it into the VPP, you can still develop and debug like normal.

In the IDE it looks just like normal, you are just making controls. You have master pages, but no aspx pages...

As far as images, it completely can handle this problem... although working out the caching settings to ensure that images are correctly cached at all the levels (proxy, browser, server) does take some thought. MSDN 2 serves all of its inline images out of a SQL 2005 db, but at the moment on 10 we put the images onto a NAS. We've thought about moving them up into the DB, at least for user-uploaded images like the avatars, but it is a low-pri task at the moment because the file system based storage isn't causing us any problems.

Finally, perf... it isn't a perf issue at all. The controls are in dlls, just like a normal asp.net application, it is just the real data that is coming from the db... and that would be exactly the same in a normal non-VPP app. I will say though that result of this style of development is that every request goes through your code... every request. So, bad code in the VPP area and in the core HTTP module could destroy your perf.

Update: if you want more info on VPP, check out this post by Mark D'Urso (dev lead on MSDN2): http://blogs.msdn.com/mdurso/archive/2006/02/06/525941.aspx

Re: Learn how 10 was made

x.static — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:49:41 GMT

Perhaps I'm just hearing things, but I'm pretty sure Scoble used a 4 letter word at ~21:01 ;).

Great video, and I can't wait to see some of the code behind this.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

schrepfler — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:39:10 GMT

I'd have a question, when a user wants to log on he's presented with this cool looking form where everithing behind is darkened. Now, I thought that if a form is presented on a non-https connection an attack is possible because the possible attacker could change the form action target? Am I wrong on this?
Second question, why not use also Passport with it (like channel9)?

Re: Learn how 10 was made

JoeCool — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:08:19 GMT

Duncan,
Thanks for the response! Of course Erik might not appreciate it. Now im going to have to call him up and give him the third degree, this stuff just sounds so cool.

Thanks again
Joe

Re: Learn how 10 was made

digitalrao — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:28:57 GMT

Channel 9 rocks ....new developer here. I tried out 10 and wasnt getting notification from 10 in my Windows Live Mail beta..

is something screwed up with the sever?Looks Good more Content Please

Re: Learn how 10 was made

JoeCool — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:05:16 GMT

"What was the ASP virtual dir thing about again? Can someone expand on that."

Yes,Erik, Adam, Duncan...someone talk about this more!!!

1. What was it like to develop with this model?
   A. Is debuggin crazy? or Just like normal
   B. What does it look like in the IDE?
   C. Could this elegently solve the old issues of displaying images that are stroed in the DB?

2. How does this effect preformance?
   A. Lots 'oh hits to the DB on every page?
      1. Probly not, im sure there is some caching involved

Better yet, lets get a video of a "Hello World" sample.

Thanks guys, and great job
~Joe

Re: Learn how 10 was made

Adam Kinney — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:17:20 GMT

LaBomba wrote:

Issues with firefox...

You can be faster than the Live folks, i know you can do it.

Go Team10!

Thanks for the faith :) I just uploaded the fix for the pop up message position.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

Erik Porter — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:57:57 GMT

BruceLee wrote:

10 is pretty cool! But when can we see the code?

What code do you want to see exactly? Would you like another video that's more in depth? Just a snippet in the forum? What? Tell us and we'll see what we can do. This has been our baby for the last month so of course we'd like to share. :)

Re: Learn how 10 was made

Christian Liensberger — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:54:37 GMT

I'm watching the video about 10 right now and something came to my mind: why is the video player on the left side (on the 10 site) not scrolling down, when I expand the replies on the right side and scroll down?

It's often that you expand a few of the replies and you need to scroll down to see some of the answers. Currently the video player stays in at his position and while you scroll down it goes out of the visible part of the window.
The video player should follow you while scrolling down. That would be a cool features and would be very useful.

I think you should add that feature to the site!

Re: Learn how 10 was made

sloppycode — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:43:41 GMT

"10 is a place for people who want to use technology to change the world. "

can we be a bit more specific?

Re: Learn how 10 was made

LaBomba — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:53:35 GMT

AdamKinney wrote:

LaBomba wrote:

Maurits wrote: 10

The UI is very pretty. I have some usability problems with it though.

Movie '10' Tagline: A temptingly tasteful comedy for adults who can count.

Website '10' Tagline: A temptingly interesting website for users who browse with IE and not firefox.

Actually it does work with Firefox. The SignIn window is a bug I have on my list as well provifing a better loading experience for Quicktime. The issue is that the MP4s do not stream in lik the WMVs do.

Issues with firefox...

You can be faster than the Live folks, i know you can do it.

Go Team10!

Re: Learn how 10 was made

SlackmasterK — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:09:52 GMT

Already added my comments there, but I'm more than glad to mirror them here...

On on10, I wrote:

Hey guys, beautiful site and some great ideas. A few ideas of my own though... I'd like to be able to select a specific page # on the thread list like on C9. Also, I'd like to be able to click a topic and drag it onto another IE window (I like multiple windows). Also, I'm not seeing an easy way to navigate the video archive (I'm sure you'll do this as you get more videos), or user profiles.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

William Stacey — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:06:52 GMT

What was the ASP virtual dir thing about again? Can someone expand on that.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

Maurits — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:43:02 GMT

Non-IE browsers use a different plugin model... no ActiveX CLSIDs, everything's assigned by MIME Type.

No reason there couldn't be a Windows Media Player plugin.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

William Stacey — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:15:17 GMT

Pretty nice folks. I found myself wanting a scroll bar in the comments section instead of Back/Next buttons. Is there a reason WMP control could not be used in firefox or mac browsers? I don't mind, just curious. Does MS need a new vid control if this is a general issue?

Re: Learn how 10 was made

JonathonW — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:05:36 GMT

Pretty cool! Only real complaints are the username length limit and the long time it takes for the movie to start (but everyone's already mentioned that, including myself)... otherwise it's pretty nice.

I think this might be the only place I'll ever see quicktime coming from download.microsoft.com. Ironic.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

Maurits — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:05:17 GMT

AdamKinney wrote:
Send me an email with your comments if you want.

Already sent in my biggest issue, via the "Contact Us" tool on 10.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

BruceLee — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:48:21 GMT

10 is pretty cool! But when can we see the code?:D

Re: Learn how 10 was made

SlackmasterK — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:46:22 GMT

jeffsand wrote:

is their anything from the 10 experience you'd like to see in Channel 9?

Anal correction: Their = there.

Reply during playback. Personally I wouldn't use it since I download and save all the videos anyway, but it'd be a cool feature for those of us who are terabyte-impaired.

As for the registration bug and the initial video image missing bug, I'm glad to report neither of these. Registration was a breeze and I see the video image fine. I also didn't have to download the whole thing before viewing (though I downloaded it later anyway). Then again I'm using IE6.

I'd also like to see 10 support the Passport login.

Re: Learn how 10 was made

intelman — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:01:33 GMT

The quicktime is stupid, and it waits to download the whole video before you can view it, why can't it just stream and buffer!!!

Re: Learn how 10 was made

intelman — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:01:14 GMT

I would rather Windows Media Player be my default in Firefox, is there a way to do that?
I like the way user signup is nice, username password email, nice short and simple. The site overall is very nice! If only channel9 looked as clean, and supported embeded videos with firefox.