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Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

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Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

raymond — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:32:30 GMT

When is the scheduled RTM or launch date for Expression?:P

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:55:49 GMT

Himanshu: thanks for posting this question on my blog, I just replied to you there:
http://spaces.msn.com/manodesign/blog/cns!DC8DC039B51DE219!239.entry

BTW I am now on the MSX Design team (AERO, etc):
http://spaces.msn.com/manodesign/blog/cns!DC8DC039B51DE219!460.entry

-mano

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

sharma_himanshu — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:17:58 GMT

Hi Mano:D,

I saw your video “Introducing Sparkle”, got it from Channel9, it was a nice demo.
Well, these days I am also working on a prototype and I am using the same (WPF) and Sparkle, but right now one thing is not yet clear to me that is, how can I make any user control like a simple button, a 3D thing.
Just like what you showed in that demo with the radio buttons that were actually being displayed as 3D thing, you mentioned that you made some changes in the template of the radio button to make it look like a 3D, I tried to do the same but no luck.[C]
Can you please help me in this?

Regards,
Himanshu

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

sharma_himanshu — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:17:04 GMT

Hi Mano,

I saw your video “Introducing Sparkle”, got it from Channel9, it was a nice demo.
Well, these days I am also working on a prototype and I am using the same (WPF) and Sparkle, but right now one thing is not yet clear to me that is, how can I make any user control like a simple button, a 3D thing.
Just like what you showed in that demo with the radio buttons that were actually being displayed as 3D thing, you mentioned that you made some changes in the template of the radio button to make it look like a 3D, I tried to do the same but no luck.
Can you please help me in this?

Regards,
Himanshu

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:50:42 GMT

Hi,

Thanks for the details, I can help you: you should create these animations inside the "Template" of your Button.

Press F1 and read about Control Styling and Control Templates - basically you can reuse the same Template and Style on as many buttons as you want.

This way if you have animations for MouseEnter, MouseLeave, Click - you only define 3 timelines inside your button Template and that's it.

This also works with any other controls/widgets beside Button of course.

-mano

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

TOLDO — Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:57:59 GMT

Dear Mano
thanks for your reply :), I'm so sorry but your answer didn't cover my qustion, so I need to describe the problem in more details, well I'll give you an example, I made a demo using Sparkle the demo is a simple form contains four buttons clicking one of it opens another form containing a grid so I tried to animate the buttons the problem is that I'm creating a new time line with a new animation to each button event,I have 4 buttons each have 3 events/states (normal-clicked-over) so I have 12 time lines each of it is totally isolated, each time I repet the animation (it's such a poor thing :s), I can't control other time lines, I need to fully control the time lines, if there's something like action script in flash, I know Sparkle is still a trial version but I need you to consider that thing in the comeing versions, cause I liked Sparkle and I need it to be a powerful tool.

Kind Regards

:: TOLDO ::

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:26:51 GMT

Hi! Thanks for the kind words :)

I am not sure to understand what you are trying to do. Could you describe this again in more details? You can create multiple timelines with the same event, so that they get triggered at the same time. I am not sure if this is what you were asking.

Take care!

-mano

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

TOLDO — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:31:16 GMT

Dear Sparkle team
I should confess that I'm wowed with the revolution you done, but I have a little question about the animation, well I noticed that I should create a new time line to each new event/trigger (and it's a big problem), I can attached many triggers to the same time line but all doing the same animation, is there any solution to this problem.

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:54:06 GMT

IT IS OUT!

http://spaces.msn.com/members/manodesign/Blog/cns!1pRsSVBaAuwgFSti-clSJ6Ng!384.entry

:)

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:28:21 GMT

Hey Sean,

Unfortunately there is no date yet... Stay tuned! Thanks.
I basically say the same thing in all the posts I make on Ch9 :)

-mano

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

Sean Gerety — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:18:47 GMT

Manuel,

Any idea when a Sparkle Beta (or Alpha) will be available? I got to play with Sparkle at the Hands on Lab at the PDC (In fact I think I gave you a hard time about the colors being washed out in the UI, which was the fault of the hardware.:P). I have to say that I'm leaning towards doing most of the XAML heavy lifting in Sparkle and then the wiring in Cider. But I'm not real sure I'd have to get my hands dirty with Sparkle first!

Did I mention that I'd volunteer?

Cheers,

Sean

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Tue, 03 Jan 2006 07:45:00 GMT

The "Cider" Avalon editor is available for download now, along with the December CTP of WinFX: http://spaces.msn.com/members/manodesign/Blog/cns!1pRsSVBaAuwgFSti-clSJ6Ng!350.entry

No Sparkle / Expression Interactive Designer tool yet though - stay tuned!

-mano

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

Thomas Scheidegger — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:31:26 GMT

Cider (Visual Studio Designer for WPF) videos

MSDN TV: Introducing "Cider" - The Visual Studio Designer for WPF ("Avalon")
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=950d1eec-5d4f-4a15-8250-d26e24b80a5d

Introduction video
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/1/1/b1117d15-28cd-44bc-9a95-dfcb76623028/20051020CiderMB.EXE

Demo video
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/1/1/b1117d15-28cd-44bc-9a95-dfcb76623028/20051020CiderMBDemo.EXE

Channel 9 MSDN Videos - October 18, 2005
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=87a5334b-e64a-46ae-a95f-cc64faf1147c

cider_2005.wmv :
http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/7/f2722c3f-963d-401a-a6f7-c026d7f1b08c/cider_2005.wmv

Which Designer do I use?
http://www.urbanpotato.net/default.aspx/document/2202

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

balupton — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:20:43 GMT

So when will the BETA or CTP of Sparkle be avaliable, because that is awesome!

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

malmer — Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:35:32 GMT

No C++, just C# or VB.Net code needed. Now I guess huge amounts of the game could be build right inside sparcle, with just a C# backend. Oh, and fyi: C# is much much easier to code than C++. So don't worry.

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

boombanguk — Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:05:27 GMT

I develop Flash games. So i'm interested in this aspect of sparkle development. The games in the video, where they created within VS with C++ or inside sparkle with xaml? and is there anything else you can tell me about the game development aspects of sparkle?

regards

boombanguk

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

reinux — Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:14:41 GMT

It's great when you guys make the exact tools that we want and need. Thanks so much.

I have a designer friend that I work with on-and-off for websites. I do the programming; he does the designing. When I'm doing client-side software though, I'm on my own. So it really limits the sort of things that both of us can make.

I swear, the work you guys are doing isn't just cool, it's going to save people's careers. It's a shame that most devs nowadays don't see things that way, but you really should be proud.

By the way, when can we start playing with Cider? :D

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:25:39 GMT

You're welcome - this dev-oriented editor (Cider) was shown at the PDC keynotes along with Sparkle, Acrylic (graphics) and Quartz (web standards). You can watch it:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/manodesign/Blog/cns!1pRsSVBaAuwgFSti-clSJ6Ng!239.entry

Jump to 24:30 to see the developer <> designer workflow and the tools, which continues until 50:15.

Jump to 37:15 to see the specific Cider (for developers) <> Sparkle (for designers) workflow.

Manuel

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:05:40 GMT

reinux wrote:
I think the most subtle but probably the most important aspect of Avalon is that it's the first true clean implementation of the document-view architecture. Most developers won't catch the importance of that aspect of WPF, but the ones who do will be making amazing software.

Absolutely... John Gossman is posting about this a lot in his blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/johngossman.

reinux wrote:

Oh yeah, if Manuel or anyone else is still watching, is there going to be a Forms Designer style editor integrated in Visual Studio, or is Sparkle going to be <i>the</i> editor?

It'd be nice if there'd be different editions of Sparkle the way there is the normal Visual Studio and another for web devs... I think a cheaper and more specialized version of Sparkle for client app developers would be good, since most of us will be more interested in maintaining consitent look-and-feel more than original design.

There will be one :) and it was shown at PDC along with Sparkle etc - Basically Visual Studio will have a design surface for Avalon. This surface (and the palettes that go with it) will be specifically focused on the things Developers do when they work with UI.

Manuel

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

reinux — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:02:15 GMT

Ahh nice!

Thanks!

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

reinux — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:13:48 GMT

I think the most subtle but probably the most important aspect of Avalon is that it's the first true clean implementation of the document-view architecture. Most developers won't catch the importance of that aspect of WPF, but the ones who do will be making amazing software.

Oh yeah, if Manuel or anyone else is still watching, is there going to be a Forms Designer style editor integrated in Visual Studio, or is Sparkle going to be <i>the</i> editor?

It'd be nice if there'd be different editions of Sparkle the way there is the normal Visual Studio and another for web devs... I think a cheaper and more specialized version of Sparkle for client app developers would be good, since most of us will be more interested in maintaining consitent look-and-feel more than original design.

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

choenes — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:44:29 GMT

A couple of points.... I think of when I hear of Sparkle / Avalon being a "Flash-Killer." In reality they are apples and oranges... Avalon / Sparkle is like Flex but it's much more than just Flex.

1 - Sparkle is an application to build user interfaces. Like Flash these interfaces can live in a browser. Unlike Flash you can run it on the desktop (smart clients, rich clients--this is important and Manuel talks about this idea of building "real applications").

2 - Macromedia's "Presentation Server" is great if my applications all run from a server. If I have an application that needs to run somewhat disconnected or completely disconnected I am screwed.

3 - Avalon / XAML is a single platform to develop applications running on desktops, web apps, compact devices.

Microsoft has gotten something REALLY right here and it appears they are actually first with this. I can't believe Macromedia isn't doing this exact thing but pairing up with Sun and Java to make cool interfaces available to web, desktop and compact device developers. Swing is lame, Windows Forms is lame...

This is the future.

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

visionary — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:39:41 GMT

Hi,

I been reading about WPF (Avalon) and keep on hearing the next best thing to build UI and it’s improvement for better UX. Few years back I was exposed to technology called Viewpoint (http://www.viewpoint.com). It looked and still seems like a amazing technology, but it never took off, I never seen any website using this technology. I thought it was lot better than a flash technology. However as a .NET developer what will be the advantages choosing Avalon over Flex with Flash 8.5. How is Avalon going to be better technology and what’s a difference Avalon technology going to bring other than what Viewpoint already does? Hoping to hear everyone’s view on Viewpoint technology

Thanks
Visionary

Re: Manuel Clement and others - Introducing Sparkle

mclement — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 05:30:12 GMT

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the comments! I will try to help out where I see more details should be posted.

sinclairc5 wrote:
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From what i gathered from the video shown, full applications could be ran off an internet server and asuming permisions and trust were allocated you could run this app much like any other windows exe. However i asume this is limited to Vista users because its vector based, although if its run thourhg a browser i guess it can run on any platform browser thats sparkle enabled

Any platform where WinFX is installed can run these "full" apps (XP SP2, Server 2003, Vista).

If you target the WPF/E ("Everywhere") runtime, they will run... everywhere. This is a subset of Avalon, but still very cool.

sinclairc5 wrote:
...
filter system is available for the blending, drop shadow, glow etc effects. Like those featured in expression - graphics designer.

I can't comment on effects yet.

sinclairc5 wrote:
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p.s the scaling of the UI is an awsome feature......

Glad you like it :)