Mark Boulter and Brian Pepin - Sneak peak at Cider (visual designer for Orcas, future version of Vis

Posted By: scobleizer | Oct 24th, 2005 @ 5:54 PM

Mark Boulter, PM and technical lead, and Brian Pepin, development lead, talk to us about Cider, a future version of the visual designer that'll ship in Orcas, future version of Visual Studio.

They demo it too!

Tags: Visual Studio, Windows Forms, Windows Vista, Windows XP, WinFX, WPF

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ThomasScheidegger
NETMaster

also watch MSDN TV:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20051020CiderMB/manifest.xml

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=950D1EEC-5D4F-4A15-8250-D26E24B80A5D

keeron
Obsessive Geek

Thanks Robert,

Saw this on MSDNTV few days back (both versions seem same, and a little cut off at the end?)

Can you ask Brian/Mark if the designer (where they were dragging the controls and changing the various properties on the form) is built using Avalon or its .Net/Win32 like the Windows Forms?

Just wondering if like Sparkle, the Cide designer is itself built on Avalon to take advantage of some of the things we get in Avalon (looking at the adorners [square thingies around the custom control towards the end of demo] it looked like it was Avalon).

-- or maybe I am just confused...since its an Avalon designer, it has to be Avalon Smiley ?

Awesome stuff...can't wait to get hands on a CTP build.

Lorin

Very cool video. And Scoble -- thanks for using a tripod during the opening interview part. Did you get one with a fluid head? It's nice and smooth!

My favorite features:

I'm familiar with today's Toolbox, so it's outstanding that Cider uses exactly the same drag and drop approach to get a general layout going. I sat down to the Sparkle lab at PDC, and found it to be way different from what I'm used to, so very glad to see that creating XAML will be "business as usual" when Orcas ships.

Both Cider and Sparkle can hand changes to each other, not breaking anything that the other one has done.

Design time can be made to listen to the control's events and tweak property values in your source code on-the-fly. Didn't know that was possible in Whidbey until now, so I'll have to update some of my WinForms controls to take advantage of that.

By the way, you guys are getting lots of mileage out of source code layout preservation!

-Lorin

Shark_M

would this run on an emachines T4150?

what are orcas requiremnts?

CRPietschmann
Chris Pietschmann

When is Orcas slated for release? Will it be shipping a couple months after Windows Vista?

bartekczyz

Good work Robert.

Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider? Smiley

rasx
Programmer/Analyst III, Emperor of String.Empty

Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:

All we ever wanted
was everything

All we ever got
was cold

Get up
Eat Jelly

Sandwich bars and barbed wire

Squash every week
into a day

...oh to be the cream!

Sampy
"It's my timey-wimey detector. It beeps when there's stuff."

bartekczyz wrote:

Good work Robert.

Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider?

Orcas hasn't even begun yet. Devdiv is taking some time off this week to recharge the batteries after Whidbey. After that, we're spending some time to do some work on our engineering practices and after that we'll start Orcas. Orcas will be smaller than Whidbey scope wise, similar to the 2002 -> 2003 upgrade.

It'll be after Vista for sure Smiley

Senkwe Chanda

Looks like the video got cut right at the end. Very cool stuff though.