10-4 Episode 2: Welcome to Visual Studio 2010 | 10-4

mrares

so i must learn XML to create a new "tab" there.... that's stupid. why didn't you make a "create a new tab" button there??

JasonOlson

In reply to mrares

#Dec 29th, 2008 @ 1:01 AM

I hadn't thought of that option. Though you need to remember that XAML (not XML) is the basis of WPF and Visual Studio is starting to adopt WPF more and more itself as the presentation framework to use.

Here are some questions mrares: I think creating a new tab is the easy part (where a button works). However, once the new tab is created, how would you design a new designer-driven experience that allows the user to easily customize the content of that new tab itself. For instance, displaying different choices in that tab, having each choice have a different "content" element which could be text, hyperlinks, another list, an embedded video, a set of embedded videos, etc.

This is "easily" done with XAML as the basis of the presentation framework, and is a model already adopted and used in new client apps leveraging WPF. And, with it being XAML-based, the limit is more your imagination rather than the implementation of the designer tool (like the dialog-driven experience that might grow from a button).

If you have some more thoughts on the subject, I would LOVE to hear them and pass them along to the team Smiley . Thanks for watching!

briankel

In reply to JasonOlson

#Dec 29th, 2008 @ 11:32 AM

I agree with Jason on this one. While it does require that you dig into XAML, what that means is that you have an amazingly flexible environment to work with. If you simply had a "Create tab" button then it wouldn't be nearly as flexible. And even for those of us who aren't XAML experts or don't have the time to invest in building a rockin' start page, I'm excited by the possibility of people creating their own unique start pages and sharing them with the community. Codeplex here we come!

Brian

andrgin

1.) I also think that the Powerpoint presentation was useless. It sounded like the typical marketing stuff provided by Microsoft all the time like "Windows Vista ist faster, better, easier to use than all before. It has much more networking support etc. but no concrete information what really changed or how to use it. Sentences like "Accessing data is much easier" sound very nice, but that is also true for the new elevator up to the library.

2.) I also think that there should be an easier way to customize the start page. For a classical Linux user who likes modifying his configuration files with vi and compiling old C code with gcc using the command line and debugging the code with massive use of printf and when sitting in front of windows they spend half an hour for finding the command line options for winzip instead of simply double clicking the file this will be absolutely fine, but most users use Visual Studio because they do not want to do that stuff. For Web Developers this should be no problem, but for simple Windows Application designers like me (many of my applications have only a close button and an exception log) WPF is completely new. I agree it is also not good if you only have a GUI and nearly no options. I think the best way is a GUI that allows you to customize the most important features that generate XAML code like it is done in Access. You can do much by simply clicking without spending weeks to learn it and if you want to code something you can do it as well like editing a query in SQL etc.

BarnacleJunior

What is the support for "optional and named parameters in C#" you mention, for supporting Office? Are we talking IDispatch::Invoke DISPPARAMS arrays? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms221653.aspx That is some stale stuff dude.

drewby

In reply to andrgin

#Dec 30th, 2008 @ 9:42 AM

You can also open the start page XAML file in the WPF Designer in Visual Studio 2010 CTP. To do this, there is a provided .csproj file in the start pages directory that Jason shows in the video.

So you'll have a visual design surface to add new components. However, this still won't be perfect for basic edits. However, I'd expect that developers will create new start pages with their own components and share them via the community. So, often your custimization will simply be downloading someone else's start page and applying it to your own environment.

th3monk3y

Hi Jason,
The biggest thing that jumped out at me is the fact you are running XP.. What gives?? Windows 7 is SICK! I am sure you have the ability to get a copy don't you?

al6

This is my first message here so it might be wrong, but wat about the icons in the start page; they are being enlarged a bit upon mouse hover, but the original size of the icons are exceeded so it looks very fuzzy and ugly. Why not just display the icons a little bit smaller than the original, and then when the mouse is hovering, it should be enlarged to the original size. That way the icons will look aewsome Wink

Can this be done through XAML? Anyway me myself is not interested in doing it, i just want you to know the icons look very ugly as of now, please fix before release.

And i also have one question; the C++0x standard will probably be finished after the release of VS2010, so when will the full implementation be done, in a Service Pack or in the next release?

foreachdev
Twitter: @foreachdev

I prefer hearing from product developers on the new features. I think the job of a web based evangelist at microsoft is to grease the wheels and get the demos and interviews going in that regard.

Think what Rory, Charles, et al used to do. (and now do to a lesser extent.)