Comment Feed for Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2 (Going Deep on Channel 9)

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Mark Shiffer — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:54:04 GMT

Great technical overview guys. Thanks.

Wanted to mention that Sampy reminds me of 'Mark' from Empire Records. Anyone concur?

Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

ChrisStepaniuk — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:41:45 GMT

I have an obvious question which i'll probably get shot for... why not use youtube? It's there for just this purpose, sharing videos? You could still post other content which we can download. Half the time the silverligth player doesn't load, takes too long, my browser hangs, and on my boyfriends mac, silverlight loads, but the player is inusuable. It doesn't load correctly. It looks like your starting at a picture through a foggy window.

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Erik Porter — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:17:01 GMT

We didn't talk about what we did for the international slowness because we didn't do anything about the international slowness specifically. Basically, any performance enhancements we do related to the client (html, css, javascript) help exponentially as requests come from fruther and further away from our servers.

As for how we helped javascript performance, yah, we covered most of that. Nathan talked about crunching (javascript and css) and making sure as much data as possible being sent down to the client is gzipped. Nathan's also working on a system to dynamically send out html, css and javascript. This will enable us to take things like the editor (rendered at the bottom of any page where you can create/reply) and only send them down to the client on an as needed basis. This will save a big portion of the page from having to come down.

Re: Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Bas — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:26:25 GMT

I may have missed them (or simply forgotten about them) in that huge video, but I don't recall hearing what exactly was done to fix the performance problems that used to appear solely outside the US, and while javascript performance was touched on briefly at the end, I didn't hear what, specifically, you guys did to optimize your scripts.

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Ion Todirel — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:12:23 GMT

super awesome

Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Erik Porter — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:06:11 GMT

It is, but compared to doing all the work yourself it's way less time than it used to be. Also, our current sprint has been focusing on streamlining the process to make it a lot easier.

Also, Sampy was explaining the guts of how it works (since he built it), which could make it seem more complicated than it really is for our content producers.

What questions did we dodge?

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Bas — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:07:52 GMT

Well, that was a sly way of dodging my questions. :P

Nice set of videos though, guys. Very informative. Is it just me, or does publishing a video seem like an incredible amount of work? The explanation alone lasted eight minutes or so.

Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

figuerres — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:49:00 GMT

Hmmm.... ya know the old finger the plan is reallly close to what a blog does....
the difference is the blog keeps a history of the posts, the old .plan was just one file that got updated.

what about a new "XML .xplan" format that hijacks the ideas of feeds/blogs and rss ??

so you have a .xplan file on the network somewhere and you can have an xplan reader in the code of the site / also a web serivce that hands you an xplan formated document....

post to upate your "Plan" in place of "edit blog post"

kinda rough but seems doable w/o a ton of work I think....

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Mark Philip Hanlon — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:14:47 GMT

well done

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

figuerres — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:36:09 GMT

very cool....

random results:

Sampy and the "Locking" I recall when you posted about adding locks and how it fixed problems, Yeah I kind of figured it was a case like that. funny how in some cases serial is better than parallel :-)

lots of cool info from all of you.

Duncan: things we can't see may still be interesting to us... I have a few background things I do that are like that. I think it is important for developers to know / learn about having more than one tool / more than one way to takle a problem.

Cool!

Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

John — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:37:25 GMT

next time give Nathan a mic ;)

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Maddus Mattus — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:19:33 GMT

All my questions got answered!

Very, very, very nice. Good to see the team behind the code ;)

Niners rock, but the people who facilitate this rock even more,... That would make them made of granite or something,...

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Mark Wisecarver — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:11:47 GMT

Cool...btw, I'm 47 now but still live by a strict code. (USMC) Ooh Rah! :D

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Charles — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:42:31 GMT

BTW, Duncan can do more pull-ups than anybody around here (at least Jeff's team, but it extends beyond us...).

C

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Duncan Mackenzie — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:36:40 GMT

ouch...

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Christian Liensberger — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:34:22 GMT

I would love to get the .plan on what the team does :)

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CKurt — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:18:07 GMT

Hi,

Very nice video, alot has been talk about. I wonder if you guys have any data about if a video is watched a 100 times. ow many times it it via the silverlight player ? how manytimes via zune ? It would really interest me.

Because for now I feel Windows Media Player gives me a better experience than silverlight. But Silverlight could do so much better
e.g. :

# I would love controls in full screen view (especialy drag the slide and volume because pauze is already there)
# See the time stamp of the slider change while you drag.
# I would love chapsters in video's ( almost every video has a section 'about the people' and 'about the subject' )
# With 'This week on C9' would really be lovely to skip a part of the video where thay talk about something you acualy saw the whole video of, previously that week. Without loading that part of the video over the network.
# Adaptive Streaming ? Or does it do this allready ? (the player doesn't really show an indication)

But anywho, great work guys ! It's very nice to see you need to maintain so many site's with a so little group of people !

Re: Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Mark Wisecarver — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:15:13 GMT

No, actually I wasn't going to mention that I really do think they should all hit the gym. :D

Re: Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Erik Porter — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:01:26 GMT

Are you talking about Sampy's biceps? I know, right?!?! :D

Re: Building Channel 9: Inside EvNet - Part 2

Mark Wisecarver — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:42:29 GMT

Very impressive.