Comment Feed for Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2 (Going Deep on Channel 9)

Re: Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2

staceyw — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:23:40 GMT

- I like the fact I don't need another assembly which introduces more complexity. Nice.

- I like the little Volta server for debugging. I would like a richtext box on it that gets debug Console output. Also the logging info could be richer.

- Every time I change my code and hit F5, I get a OneCare Firewall blocked a program dialog and I have to Allow it and start over again. Is there a way to allow this always to avoid the dialog?

- I get errors trying to pass Linq Entities over the remoting boundary. That said, you get errors trying to pass Linq Entity over WCF because of the circular Refs and a serializer issue. Is there a solution or do you have to use new DTOs all the time?

- Works with Static methods and static classes so you don't need to new up and hold a proxy ref. Not sure why that is cool, but it is.

- I like how I don't have to spend a day or two learning wcf config files and such to get started. Nice again.

- I don't see any knobs for server side threading or instancing or procotols, etc. But assume that will be added.

This is the future and works like how your brain wants it to work. Nice work. Can't wait for rtm some day.

Re: Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2

Cyonix — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:18:48 GMT

Great stuff guys! I’m really interested in how I can use this with the ASP.NET MVC framework. It would make developing javascript much easier. Will it be possible to have the two frameworks working side by side?

Re: Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2

flowmaster — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:47:43 GMT

You're right, the samples don't cover tier-splitting WinForms applications. However I have a blog post on precisely that topic; see Tier-split Refactoring WinForms Applications with Volta.

-dm

Re: Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2

brianbec — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:00:30 GMT

Plenty of love for winforms :) Winforms has a very nice 2D graphics library. I think the teapot demonstrates that it's pretty easy to do polygonal 3D graphics if all you have are triangles. Winforms has triangles. The Volta CTP has a fairly general library for integrating Newtonian equations of motion with arbitrary force laws. It wouldn't be difficult to imagine small-scale physics-based games hosted in Winforms. May I leave the rest to the imagination? :)

Beckman

Re: Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2

JeffVa_MS — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:58:17 GMT

Hi Staceyw,

you're right there is no Winforms sample yet, we should add that.

For now, hope this walkthrough might help you out

-in VS2008 create a new "Volta Windows/Winforms Application"
-write a class you want to run on another tier and use it from your winforms code
-right-click on the class, select refactor and choose "Tiersplit..."
-a RunAt attribute will be added to the class as well as an app.config to the project
-hit F5 to launch the winforms app as well as the webserver running the other tier.

If you run into any problems, let us know on the Volta forum:

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1988&SiteID=1

Regards,

Jeffrey van Gogh
Volta Developer

Re: Tier Splitting Volta: Who. What. How. Why - Part 2

staceyw — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:06:03 GMT

Good show folks. Been wanting this kind of tier splitting. However, I see no joy for Winforms apps in any of the samples and don't know where to start. I also find this idea of IRemotable very, very interesting and will love to learn more about ideas there. Remotable futures with async callbacks to the server and/or sql will be very cool and just make things so much easier to understand and develop.