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Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

rhm — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:48:26 GMT

Silverlight 3? Hmmm. So if you're going to add a bunch of stuff to Silverlight I guess that means the target size for the redistributable is going to increase from the original 4Mb and therefore the excuse that you had to leave out this or that vital API because of size constraints is going to go away?

In which case, is there any chance that text layout could be fixed because it seems (at least to me, maybe someone knows better), that text layout is completely crippled in Silverlight 2.

When I saw that you only have Textblock but no FlowDocument and FlowDocumentPageViewer class in Silverlight 2, I figured that's OK, they don't want to bloat the download so they left it to the app developer to provide their own classes for doing layout that more complex than TextBlock can manage. Except you can't because there's no way to measure text. In particular the FormattedText class is absent from Silverlight. You can do some basic measurement by putting text one word at a time into a TextBlock object and reading back the ActualHeight/ActualWidth properties, but that doesn't help you much because you don't have other information needed for vertical layout such as the baseline. Important metrics are also missing from the FontFamily class.

Kindof sucks that a really important core class like FormattedText got left out when there are controls like DataGrid in the main install that could have been provided as a separate assembly for the few people that will use that instead of their own or a 3rd party control.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Gio — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:44:45 GMT

That works, thanks! I really need to learn some XML...

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Dan Fernandez — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:48:59 GMT

Thanks Giovanni,

It looks like I have a bug in the code that builds the FeedUrl for custom searches. The easy way to fix this is to

Open the XML file
Go to the second InnerTubeFeed and change the FeedUrl from "http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videosvq=Microsoft" to http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos?q=Microsoft

As you can see, I've changed the "vq=" to "?q=" which is a well-formatted XML result.

Apologies for that, but thanks for finding the bug! Let me know if you can't get it to work

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Gio — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:40:06 GMT

Dan, Enjoy the read... and thank you for your help.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>

http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">

- <InnerTubeFeed>

<FeedName>Search for: 'Microsoft'</FeedName>

<FeedUrl>http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videosvq=Microsoft</FeedUrl>

</InnerTubeFeed>

</ArrayOfInnerTubeFeed>

Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Dan Fernandez — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:34:37 GMT

Thanks giovanni, this is very helpful, it looks like the URL for the feeds that are added aren't XML files, hence the bad request. I suspect it's a bug where, if your using a username to add a feed, YouTube needs to encode that username in a particular way to display it correctly.

To help understand the issue, can you copy and paste your InnerTube.xml file which you can find at $username$\Videos\InnerTube\InnerTube.xml (on XP at Documents and Settings\$username$\Videos\InnerTube\InnerTube.xml) . The InnerTube.xml file will have the URLs that the code above is tryign to call and we can figure out why one of them is bad.

Thanks!
-Dan

Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Gio — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:10:58 GMT

Hi Dan,

Thank you for helping out. I am using VS Express 2008. I added the SmartThread dll (v 1.0) and since I don't have (or want) an iTune library, I commented out its references. InnerTube seems to compile fine. I can launch it and it looks I can add feeds as needed, but when I click on refresh feeds the apps stops working (I get the Windows message "InnerTube has stopped working") and it exits. I could probably try debugging it, but my debugging skills are very basics.

Edit: i tried debugging and the code stops on file InnerTubeService.cs at line 202:

XmlTextReader xr = new XmlTextReader(wc.OpenRead(youTubeUrl));

The debugger says:

System.Net.WebException was unhandled by user code
Message="The remote server returned an error: (400) Bad Request."
Source="System"
StackTrace:
       at System.Net.WebClient.OpenRead(Uri address)
       at SharedUtilities.InnerTubeService.ConvertYouTubeXmlToObjects(Uri youTubeUrl, Setting setting) in C:\Users\giovanni\Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\InnerTube-7380\CSharpBookVersion\InnerTube\SharedUtilities\InnerTubeService.cs:line 202
       at SharedUtilities.InnerTubeFeedWorker.UpdateFeeds(Object state) in C:\Users\giovanni\Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\InnerTube-7380\CSharpBookVersion\InnerTube\SharedUtilities\InnerTubeFeedWorker.cs:line 302
       at Amib.Threading.Internal.WorkItem.ExecuteWorkItem()
InnerException:

Thanks for your help

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Dan Fernandez — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:04:35 GMT

It's a good question as it's not a default feature of Visual Studio 2008. I'm using CodeRushX, a free add-in built by the DevExpress team (Covered on a previous This Week on C9 episode). It's awesome, I highly suggest you download it now as it has a ton of features from code navigation, refactoring, and more.

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

iwannabeanmvp — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:59:08 GMT

This is probably a stupid question, but how do you get the vertical line connecting the curly brackets in the c# editor? It shows in the coding4fun sample.

Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Dan Fernandez — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:39:16 GMT

Thanks man :)

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Dan Fernandez — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:38:38 GMT

Hey Giovanni, what was the issue you ran into? I'd be happy to help debug :)

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Gio — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:13:42 GMT

Cool video. BTW, I downloaded InnerTube and after a little bit of tewaking I was able to compile it, but can't get it to work. Anyone succeeded?

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Christian Liensberger — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:26:23 GMT

I have to agree! Great show this week. Also congrats to Dan for publishing his first book.

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Allan Lindqvist — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:49:07 GMT

woah! does jonny work at microsoft?
charles, pleeease interview him :)

Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Minh — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:04:53 GMT

Hehe... Of course. I literally LOL'ed when I saw it.

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Brian Keller — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:19:05 GMT

I've got nothin' but love for ya, Minh! Hope you know I was only kidding. :-)

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Minh — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:22:03 GMT

Hey, that's hitting a little close to home. But, no worries, I'm hard headed. I still love you all!!! Typing on the iPod a sucks a$$ :-)

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Charles — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:09:10 GMT

Thanks for the kind words and support dot_tom.
C

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Bas — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:00:33 GMT

Best TED videos: Vilayanur Ramachandran on the brain and phantom limbs and Joshua Klein on crows. I can listen to Vilayanur's talk hundreds of times in a row, just because of his awesome accent.

That Vista Bridge API is a gift sent from the Gods. This has been frustrating me so much, and finally, a solution. Thanks for the link, guys.

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Tom Kirby-Green — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:58:49 GMT

Very happy to see the Spec# release. Looking forward to giving it a run around this weekend.

I've often wondered how Microsoft measures the return on investment when it comes to things like Channel 9. Should the pointy nosed bean counters ever start pounding on Charles' and the rest of the 9er crew's doors demanding a blood sacrifice then I will happily get on a plane, come to the 'States and explain to them - with diagrams - why Channel 9 rocks and from my perspective represents the best outreach / programming community initiative I've experienced from Microsoft in 15 years of programming on Windows.

Re: This Week on C9: Live Wave 3, Coding4Fun - the book, Johnny Chung Lee, and Rise

Tommy Carlier — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:11:00 GMT

The TED video is awesome. Thanks for that.