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Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Dan Fernandez — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:19:00 GMT

Useful + 3D really depends on the scenario :)

One quick note is that you can use this with any controls. Scott Guthrie demonstrated this in his MIX09 keynote showing how to render a data entry form using perspective 3D. Pete Brown has a similar demo showing SL 3's 3D support for a data entry form (with code).

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

rhm — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:06:36 GMT

Thanks for the explanation. I was curious because I've looked at the documentation for silverlight 3 and I haven't yet found any of the 3d features people on channel9 keep talking about. All I've found is the ability to set a perspective (non-affine) transform on an image. So you can do 'coverflow' with it, but nothing really useful.

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Dan Fernandez — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:59:13 GMT

Doh! Sorry about that, neither of us caught that, apologies. I'm guessing we goofed since Silverlight 3 is getting perspective 3D support we just said that

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

ChrisStepaniuk — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:56:35 GMT

That would be awesome. It would be nice if all video was done in 16x9.

Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Joshua Burkholder — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:40:31 GMT

In the "Adam Kinney - Motion Capture viewer in Silverlight" section of the "This Week on Channel 9" video, it was mentioned that Nikola used the new 3D features of Silverlight 3.0 to create his Motion Capture Viewer. That is not the case. Nikola's Motion Capture Viewer only requires Silverlight 2.0. Nikola coded the point, vector, matrix, quaternion, etc. classes needed for the quick software rendering of those stick figures (all of which is provided in his Silverlight 2.0 source code) ... and all easily handled by the Silverlight 2.0 player.

Very Respectfully,
Joshua Burkholder

Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Allan Lindqvist — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:29:23 GMT

check out the official natal speculation thread on c9 :P http://channel9.msdn.com/forums/Coffeehouse/472182-Project-Natal--Windows/

here's hoping for a gooing deep episode on natal :) [maybe i should'nt hold my breath though]

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

dentaku — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:22:15 GMT

Yup, if it centered vertically instead of aligning to the top and the controls would stick to the bottom of the box it would look much better.

Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Bas — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:35:23 GMT

Maybe the Silverlight player could be updated to 'letterbox' widescreen videos, instead of placing them at the top. Center it vertically, so that it has even black bars on the top and bottom, and then place the controls at the bottom of the player instead of at the bottom of the video.

Or just autoresize the entire player, of course. :)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Dan Fernandez — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:22:43 GMT

Got it, yeah, I'm seeing the same thing, I assumed the issue was rendering, but yeah, it's just that the video is 16:9 in a 4:3 player. It looks a lot better just watching/downloading in Windows Media Player/VLC/Your-favorite-player.

@rhm - The streaming file and the download are also coming from the same location so I don't know why streaming would be slower.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

dentaku — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:25:15 GMT

It looks fine until you start playing the video then you get a 16:9 video playing at the top of a 4:3 black box.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

rhm — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:11:28 GMT

That's what it's like until you start playing the video.

Anyway, I have to download all the channel9 videos because the streaming is always stalling for some reason. I guess the downloads come from another server because they come down nice'n'fast.

Re: Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Dan Fernandez — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:54:15 GMT

Here's what I see in IE8/FF3, notice the player is resized automagically to 16:9.

As to the other point, yes, I'm sure folks will find a way to enable it for Windows, like Brian Peek did for us for the Wiimote Coding4Fun wrapper :)

But yes, I'm definitely excited for all of the possibilities with this - voice commands, body tracking, gestures, etc.

Re: Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

PerfectPhase — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:21:54 GMT

You mean like this? I assume it's because the video is now 16:9, but the silverlight player is 4:3.

I'm not really much of a gamer but an still really intreasted in Natal, really want the media center support, and here's hopping it get support into windows 7 multi-touch and gestures API.

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Chadk — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:13:16 GMT

I have the same problem.

Chrome on Win 7.

Re: Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Dan Fernandez — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:39:59 GMT

Weird, it works on my machine :)

I tried IE8 and FF 3 and I'm not seeing anything abnormal.

Re: This Week on C9: Project Natal, Qex for SQL, and Bing for Devs

Bas — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:05:55 GMT

The image is still messed up in the Silverlight player for me. It only fills the top 3/4th, with the controls below it, and a black bar below that.