PDC05 BuzzCast #2: A chat with *the* PDC Content Owner

oh this video is very very good, i just can't wait for testing it on my own!
I didn't notice it at first, but did Chris say PDC '93 instead of 2003 a few times near the end of the video?
I keep thinking, "1993 wasn't that long ago".
scobleizer wrote:>WinFX is not installed in Windows Vista by default?
Where did you hear that? WinFX and .NET, Chris said, were included in Windows Vista. Where did you get that?
The the Whidbey version of the .Net framework is in Windows Vista, it's out there. And WinFX comes along with Windows Vista, its on the disk, people can install it if they want to install it and use it, so it will be around with every copy. And, the nice
thing about both Whidbey and WinFX is they are available downlevel for Windows XP. So...
Nice Video. Although the fact that Chris has a hammer and some Scotchtape directly behind him for most of the video, doesn't do much for my confidence in the build. LOL!
Ok, trying to download and we have a problem. What was the bandwidth calculation for this release? Why not torrent the thing and be done with it.
Still need a key.
Still need to register your copy. Here is a link to what I am seeing. Still trying.....
scobleizer wrote:>Ask how many lines of code are in vista and XP.
I've asked that before. They don't know for sure because there's so much code all over the place being compiled into it.
We're going to get a tour of the build labs and we'll ask that question again and see if we get a better answer.
Unfortunately there isn't.amazzitelli wrote:
is there any GuestID for Windows Vista?
I want the Scobleizer´s opinion. No, Robert?
eddwo wrote:What I do hope is that there is at least support for inputting and editing INK on non-tablets, maybe the equivelent of having the Tablet SDK installed by default. Or will that come through WinFX as well?
Windows Vista includes many advances for Tablet PC developers. Chief among these are Ink Analysis and integration with the Windows Presentation Foundation, formerly code name "Avalon". Probably the biggest advance, however, is the ubiquity of Tablet PC features. To date, developers have had a difficult time with the Tablet PC technology redistribution problem. With Windows Vista, however, Tablet PC technologies are ubiquitous across all Windows Vista editions.
scobleizer wrote:Orbit: your system should run Windows Vista just fine. Of course there'll be cool new systems out next year that'll blow that away, but you don't need them to have a nice experience with Vista.
its basedof 2k3 sp1 code after the latest rewrite...
c9... can u guys get a interview with the team in charge of the new winsock... in the groups (thehive and on other sites i talk to techs) theres alot of confusion over the new tcp stack and winsock....
there was discussion previously of rewrites of the new tcp stack so that it wouldnt do the cutting packets in half every failure and stuff like that to take better advantage of broadband connections but after a slight mention of it atleast a year ago no real
communication has been done with the winsock team... i'd really like to see a light meeting with whoevers incharge of the winsock development.... i mean you did kernel and now vista general why not winsock?
Scoble, does this include Network Location Awareness? I've been trying to get some new information for some time, but haven't been successful. I even emailed John Stewart on the NLA team last week, but haven't received any form of response. Not sure if he's on vacation, busy, or not employed with Microsoft anymore.scobleizer wrote:We already have an interview setup with the folks who are working on the new networking stack.
Most of the work was done to natively support IPv6.
What questions do you have for the team?
BenZila wrote:
Coolios, the amount of code that must go down in Redmond just boggles my mind.
Heres another question that i've been wondering.
If with longhorn we are on build 5xxx and each increment = a day, why is XP only about half that? Was XP done super fast?
Steve411 wrote:Blah.
Steve.
Andre Da Costa wrote:Its available to MSDN Subscribers before the Technical testers, which is quite strange.
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Manip wrote:Where, as a user, can I disable this automatic error reporting? Can I?
Chadk wrote:Notice the 9 guy in the background!
This standard user thing is not going to work. Most users today simply don't understand the importance of PC security. People are not going to know about the difference between an administrator account and standard account. If all Vista user accounts are admin by default, most people will never know to change that.
Furthermore, the average user will just blindly input their password anytime they're prompted and end up installing who knows what on their systems. I hope this isn't Vista's only defense against spyware—Microsoft needs to make a lot of under the hood changes to prevent spyware from overtaking a system in the first place.
vbl stands for virtual build lab. we have central build lab && a set of second level labs (usually org based) that do a put all the changes that have happened for a period of time in at one go. it allows us to keep the core build super solid, && have teams
work off by themselves without the rest of the world hosing them. originally we would only have 1 level of vbls below core. now we have multiple levels of vbls. reverse integrating is the term we use for putting stuff from the vbl into the main lab.
we didn't know about the vista name back in 1999 when this was created. we still had neptune & odessey as separate projects - some idiot went off to create whistler && blackcomb as project names. longhorn came out of that...
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The sidebar was dropped some time ago, and won't be back apparently. I'm not sure about the 3D Alt-Tab interface... this is Beta 1 so perhaps it will be back in Beta 2?Roginator wrote:What happened to the visual effects seen in the first screenshots of "Longhorn", such as the sidebar, the alt-tab which moved windows in 3D, etc?
Was this dropped when they switched to the new code base, or is this meant to be put back in a future beta?
GoldenEye wrote:
I dont think you need a very fast computer at all to run this. Vista is running better for me than XP ever did.
I can actually have adobe photoshop cs 2 open, and it will not lag down all my other applications or my desktop.
I have penitum 4 2.6ghz with 384ddr ram. So my pC isnt the fastest and Vista runs nice and smooth on it.
I think alot of people will find this OS incredible. Especially how much better its going to be in its final release.
Same here. The PC I installed Vista on doesn't even meet the minimum requirements, and it still runs way better than I expected. It seems to even access the HDD less than XP does, and most of the applications run smoothly.
For those of you who don't have access to Vista, I posted 19 screenshots at http://www.geekpedia.com/software38_Windows-Vista-Beta-1-Screenshots.html.
Though, it's a pity you can't see the animations.
Vista behaves very strangely on my machine. It's really slow/jerky/unusable, except when it's running the CPU flat out.
I had to install Seti@Home and run that in the background, to keep the CPU at 100%, so I could use the system at all. With Seti running its really smooth and snappy, it seems faster than XP and downloads go much faster.
As soon as the processor drops below 100% its back to being all jerky again. When its jerky the system clock also runs too slowly. When watching the control panel clock applet, it ticks about once every 7 seconds.
Must be a problem with the chipset driver I think. Something low level anyway.
I have Windows Vista Beta 1 now for a while,
But i can't make it work with my Raid Controller
Andrei P. wrote:For those of you who don't have access to Vista, I posted 19 screenshots at http://www.geekpedia.com/software38_Windows-Vista-Beta-1-Screenshots.html.
Dialog boxes, maximized windows and certain other windows don't have the titlebar transparent. I believe that with a transparent titlebar you can focus more on the what's in the window, disregarding the titlebar (which you rarely look at).
Also, they added an interesting blur effect so that the text in the titlebar can be readable.
First I was a bit confused with Virtual Folders, then I got used to them. It shouldn't take long for the typical Windows XP user to accommodate to Vista. The basic operations like simply browsing for a file and other routine tasks are still similar to the previous Windows operating systems.
One of the graphic effects I like most on Vista is when you hover over the minimize, maximize/restore and close buttons in the titlebar. I updated the page and added screenshots with this effect.
Andrei P. wrote:No wonder. There are lots of Linux zealots and other Microsoft haters that hunt these reviews and hijack them with comments and bad ratings. You can see them everywhere, here, on Robert's blog, on MSDN, on Neowin, and so on. They have nothing better to do between kernel version updates.
"The interface and features are not as good as Mac OS"
"Bow down Microsoft give in to anyone with a little cash(IMHO). Really; I am glad that there are GOOD alternatives out there, IE Linux, BSD, and even the Mac. Take back your computer and enjoy feeling the freedom and empowerment that comes from using an alternative OS. Try Linux, it is always free, free of cost and free of viruses, spyware, tcpa, and drm. Also most every program you could want, good programs can be downloaded and used for free. Try www.PCLinuxOS.com, or www.ubuntu.org, or www.mepis.com"
"Microsoft is going to catch up to Apples current technology and features... in over 1 year. By then Mac OS X and Linux will be years & years ahead. Again. "
Yes, that was really enlightening. I am quite curious to find out how you find these and 70% other similar reviews, "eye opener".
Also, no one sane enough rates an operating system lower than 4. I don't think there's any operating system deserving less than 4 out of 10. Most of the reviewers on CNET rated Vista 1, 2 or 3. Not to mention reviews such as "I can create Windows Vista at home using skins", reviews which clearly come from someone who only judges by seeing a couple of screenshots.
And when Apple launched Tiger, why weren't there any Microsoft zealots posting reviews such as the ones I see now on CNET: "Who needs it? I wonder, who needs it. It is not going to make my customers pay their bills faster, it will not make them accept higher prices...". With this kind of perspectives you'll not be going far my friend.
I'm convinced now. No matter what Microsoft is going to do, biased reviews will always exist. And there will always be someone to hijack forums and blogs with their unconstructive, obsesively repeating comments. Microsoft enthusiasts don't join Linux or Mac forums talking about how great Windows is. If Linux or Mac was that great, it would have the OS market by now. The same way Ford lost in front of Toyota on the US market recently.
When is the Public Beta 2 version going to be available?
Also, what torrent site has the Beta 1 version available for download?
thanks...
Avalon wrote:
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Can anyone tell me where I can get a good copy of Microsoft windows vista I have look all over the place for it. But cannot find a copy for love or money.
If anyone can think of where I can get a copy of it
Please e-mail me at johnhbrien@hotmail.com
Did you ever find out where we could download Win Vista.
I am itching to try it.