John Graham discusses the Office Developer Conference “Real World” Track

W3bbo wrote:This needs a "Digg this" link
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CompGuy101 wrote:Didn't Microsoft publicly say that the Acid2 test wasn't one of their primary focuses?
Will IE8 pass the ACID2 test if we change the default font from Times New Roman to Cambria?
I tried changing the default font to Cambria on Firefox 3 Beta and
Opera.
Firefox 3 renders it a bit off and incorrect.
Opera seems to be rendering it properly.
See pictures below.
1) Firefox 3 Beta 2 Fails ACID2 test
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Opera 9.5 Beta Passes ACID2 test
CompGuy101 wrote:Didn't Microsoft publicly say that the Acid2 test wasn't one of their primary focuses?
Ion Todirel wrote:wow, this is incredible for two reasons, first is posted on C9, i love you Charles, and this is an awesone news, rock on
Bas wrote:
CompGuy101 wrote:
Didn't Microsoft publicly say that the Acid2 test wasn't one of their primary focuses?
In fact, Alex is saying the same thing in this video: "Passing the test is not something we build the project around. We build the project around implementing important features in a standards compliant way, and when we do it, the test just happened."
So as far as I understand it, more standards compliance is a focus for IE8. The test, as is its purpose, just points out that they succeeded at the compliance.
Wohoo! This is the first time I wish we had a party icon on C9.
zian wrote:Wohoo! This is the first time I wish we had a party icon on C9.
W3bbo wrote:
zian wrote:
Wohoo! This is the first time I wish we had a party icon on C9.
We just got Frontpage'd on Digg!
stun wrote:Will IE8 pass the ACID2 test if we change the default font from Times New Roman to Cambria?
evildictaitor wrote:The truly amazing thing is the comments on digg about Internet Explorer have practically no Microsoft or IE-bashing for this post.
Seems that this was a good job well done by MSFT.
Kudos, guys, really. This is a very important step in getting IE up to spec with other browsers.
Keep up the good work!
creditcard wrote:So um, how about a release?
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If IE8 releases before Firefox 3 you can deliver a fatal blow to Firefox standards complience claims.
Congrats to the IE team. I've 1000+ rants and bug reports but I don't want to discourage you right now. Btw, if:
"We’re building IE8 for many different customers (consumers, web service providers, independent software vendors, enterprises, web developers, and others." then how about also building IE8 for media and print/photo professionals and including JPEG 2000, HD Photo, SVG, APNG and ICCv4 color management support and A-V tags, opacity: value; etc?
I hope the IE does not forget over time that "Acid2, is by no means a complete measure of CSS standards support and CSS is not the only standard. In fact, many IE issues are not CSS-related."
And btw, if you don't continue to release IE9,10,11 for XP, forget it. I'll still be pissed off. Because Opera 9 also runs on Windows 95 and MS should make a browser independent of their beloved OS. It is not just your duty to support Windows XP, people won't care about IE and use some other browser, its share will increase if you don't keep supporting XP even when Windows 7 or 8 comes out.
And I second a public bug-tracking system. And "third" a ""Fix the "Operation Aborted" JS DOM error.""
And as a punishment to MS for not supporting standards for sooooo long, I probably won't switch to IE8 if all is supports is just Acid2 compliance...maybe IE9 raises the standards compliance to 98% +, then I'll surely consider.
Lastly, I expect IE8 to be performant enough, definitely not cause as much speed lag as IE6=>7 transition.
Bas wrote:In fact, Alex is saying the same thing in this video: "Passing the test is not something we build the project around. We build the project around implementing important features in a standards compliant way, and when we do it, the test just happened."
CompGuy101 wrote:
Didn't Microsoft publicly say that the Acid2 test wasn't one of their primary focuses?
So as far as I understand it, more standards compliance is a focus for IE8. The test, as is its purpose, just points out that they succeeded at the compliance.
esoteric wrote:Nice! Kudos to the IE team. Downloading...
No seriously!
xaml wrote:
esoteric wrote:
Nice! Kudos to the IE team. Downloading...
Good point.. where's the download link?No seriously!
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Thanks Alex! This makes me very happy to get confirmation that it will pass ACID2 across other Serif type fonts.alexmog wrote:Yes.
stun wrote:
Will IE8 pass the ACID2 test if we change the default font from Times New Roman to Cambria?
I know a lot about ACID2 by now, there isn't anything there that would depend on choice of font...
Thanks all for encouraging comments!
Alex
alexmog wrote: I know a lot about ACID2 by now, there isn't anything there that would depend on choice of font...
You have the site zones, where you can restrict sites access and add them to a list, you can also define a default rule, too.Siyavash wrote:Now, make me a REAL password manager and a REAL cookie manager ( Deny cookies until I CHOOSE to accept [optional ofcourse] ) and REAL "Customize each site:javascript/pluginst enabled/disabled, cookies etc" like Opera...
...and I'll switch back to IE!