Italia 9: Alessandro Catorcini e Affidabilita’ del .NET Framework

The Discussion

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  Grazie ragazzi, vi amo!!!
  Che goduria infinita ascoltare le vostre interviste in italiano dopo aver trascorso l'estate a cercare di carpire quanto più possibile da interviste registrate da tizi con accenti e slang di ogni sorta!
  
  
  
  

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  English!!!

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  Skriker V1.0 wrote:

  English!!!

  
  
  Let's start multi-language thread!!! Absolutely useless, but funny.
  I will post something in russian, you (as proper scotsman!)- in gaelic, somebody else in chinese, japanese, etc. It will be a real mess!
   
  
  
  

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  BlackTiger wrote:

  

  Skriker V1.0 wrote: English!!!

  
  
  Let's start multi-language thread!!! Absolutely useless, but funny.
  I will post something in russian, you (as proper scotsman!)- in gaelic, somebody else in chinese, japanese, etc. It will be a real mess!
   
  
  
  

  
  
  How about not being pointless? Would that work for you?
  
  Come on. This is an interview that will be understood by those who speak Italian. There's plenty of English on this site to keep you very busy.
  
  There will be more of this type of thing in the future on Channel 9 (non-English interviews). I would like for these to remain unpolluted (like all threads, but that's a tall order...) by pointless posts.
  
  Thanks,
  C

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  Vad kul att ni skriver på italienska, svenska är annars också ett trevligt språk som man kan skriva på. puss o hej
  

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  Charles wrote:

  

  BlackTiger wrote:  Skriker V1.0 wrote: English!!! Let's start multi-language thread!!! Absolutely useless, but funny. I will post something in russian, you (as proper scotsman!)- in gaelic, somebody else in chinese, japanese, etc. It will be a real mess!

  
  
  How about not being pointless? Would that work for you?
  
  Come on. This is an interview that will be understood by those who speak Italian. There's plenty of English on this site to keep you very busy.
  
  There will be more of this type of thing in the future on Channel 9 (non-English interviews). I would like for these to remain unpolluted (like all threads, but that's a tall order...) by pointless posts.
  
  Thanks,
  C

  
  
  Seriously what’s the point of these interviews if the language is not English, I’m not trying to be ignorant, I know there are many languages out there, but I bet 99% of the people who make use of this site from non-English speaking countries can understand/read English?
  
  

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  Skriker,
  unfortunately you'd lose your bet.
  In Italy computer scientists can certainly READ English, but we are not exposed very often to spoken English. ALL the TV is dubbed in Italian, and the same goes for movie theaters. As a result it may actually be very difficult for them to follow English content. As an example of what I am talking about, here there's a translation of the very first comment in the thread:
  
  "Thank you guys, I love you!!!
  What a pleasure is listening to your interviews in Italian, after having spent the summer trying to grasp as much as possible from interviews given by people with the widest range of accents and slangs!"
  
  As Carlo says, Channel9 is stuffed with English material to keep you very busy: hopefully you won't be bothered too much if we try to do something from time to time for people speaking Italian,Japanese, Chinese, etc etc
  
  thanks
  
  V.
  
  

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  Vittorio, thanks for your insider feedback, perhaps having a Language section of channel9 would be helpful, or do this based on your profile, if your selected language is Italian show the user Italian content when they login. :O

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  lubian,

  I don't appreciate your tone. Show a little more respect for people. Vittorio is one of our best and brightest. You know not of what you speak. We're trying to make Channel 9 more representative of this planet's population, most of whom do NOT speak English natively.
  
  Keep your crticism constructive and respectful or keep it to yourself.
  
  Capite?

  C

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  Skriker V1.0 wrote:

  

  Vittorio, thanks for your insider feedback, perhaps having a Language section of channel9 would be helpful, or do this based on your profile, if your selected language is Italian show the user Italian content when they login. :O

  
  
  This is precisely what we are thinking about implementing, BTW.

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  Caro Vittorio,
  Insted of arguing with the viewers and being arrogant like a "peppino", why don't you try to learn from the feedback and improve the quality of your work? I'm so fortunate to speak fluent italian as well as english, but i still don't understand the purpose of such kind of interviews content-less. I do appreciate all your effort trying to be a "player" in the channel9 community, however not everybody is "cut" for that. Your inteviews are "candid cameras"- like and sometimes pathetic. To be honest I was expecting much more from an Italian group.  I know you can do better, don't give up!
  
  I'm watching you
  
  Btw. what do you know about italian computer "scientists"? that's so funny!
  
  Un salutone,
  lubian
  

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  Hey Carlo Tower take it easy. Afterall I said he can do better, didn't I ?
  
  Even negative reviews are somewhat constructive. Keep that in mind instead of arguing with the viewers.
  
  cheers,
  lubian
  
  

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  Dear dubian,
  I don't believe I said anything arrogant and I am glad that Skriker, judging from his reply, didn't seem to have the same impression.
  About the feedback. The structure of the interviews is very simple, and I try to leave as much control as I can to the person I interview. The purpose is giving a feeling of what it means for an Italian person to work here, and to give useful technical information in the process. In order to achieve both goals I have to allow the person some "personal" space, and I can see how this can be unfamiliar to many viewers. Next time I will select a guy who has a peculiar style also in the delivery, so the initial segment can be shorter and his personality still come out: I'll be curious to have your feedback about if it mitigates...
  
  Now the less pleasant part. Regardless being positive or negative, your comment contains various attacks ad hominem that are completely unnecessary for nailing home your point, and I certainly don't appreciate that. With a degree cum laude in computer science from one of the finest universities in Italy, a couple of papers solving an open problem in computational geometry and few years playing with the most advanced datacenters in Italy in the scientific visualization field, I believe I have a pretty good idea of what an Italian computer scientist is and if I'd be interested in "being a player", as you say, it would be much easier for me to get Carlo to interview ME. I am doing those interviews out of sheer love for my country, since my professional focus is elsewhere. I was sort of hoping of making people happy rather than anonymously being called names, but hey: one always does his best.

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  Vittorio ma per cortesia....the second part of your comment is ridiculous and laughable.
  I understand the love for your country, which happens to be mine as well, but with your "commedy shows" you are hurting it.
  Think about your poor job on Italia9 and learn from anybody's feedback rather than arguing the viewers' posts. It will definitely help you with the 3rd one.
  
  Regards,
  lubian
  

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  Innanzitutto: complimentoni per l'intervista!

  ...però, peccato che è finita troppo presto

  Mi togliete una curiosità: ma il Program Manager scrive codice o no? Cioè, in Microsoft, l'unica figura che scrive codice è lo SDE (Software Development Engineer)?

  BTW: Sono completamente d'accordo con Vittorio, quando scrive:

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  In Italy computer scientists can certainly READ English, but we are not exposed very often to spoken English. ALL the TV is dubbed in Italian, and the same goes for movie theaters. As a result it may actually be very difficult for them to follow English content.
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  Io mi sento pienamente a mio agio nel leggere (e anche scrivere) in inglese, ma quando si tratta di ascoltare...

  Sarebbe fantastico se si potessero avere dei sotto-titoli in inglese che accompagnino le interviste, per lo meno quelle delle MS Personalities. Ad esempio, mi sarebbe piaciuto capire molto di più del contenuto dell'intervista fatta di recente a Peter Spiro (il signore dalla barba fluente)!
  
  Auguroni!
  Gio
  

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  Ciao Gio,

  grazie mille per i complimentoni!
  Riguardo a chi scrive codice: Alessandro puo'sicuramente dare una risposta piu' accurata, comunque molti dei PM che conosco scrivono codice. Magari e' codice che non finisce direttamente nel prodotto, comunque per esplorare idee e chiarificare specifiche il codice e' una componente importante. La cosa vale assolutamente per PM vicini all'implementazione, come i feature PM; man mano che si sale la scala dell'astrazione probabilmente il bisogno di aprire visual studio diminuisce. Ma di nuovo, sono certo che Alessandro dara' un commento piu' accurato
  
  Riguardo ai sottotitoli. So che Carlo ha considerato l'idea, ma non so nulla riguardo alla sua effettiva fattibilita' dal punto di vista tecnico/di processo. Traduco il tuo commento in una mail in inglese e glie la mando, magari risponde qui (anche se mi sa che adesso e' fuori ufficio).
  Grazie ancora dei complimenti & salutoni!
  
  V.

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  Ciao Gio,
  
  Definire in due parole il ruolo di un PM in Microsoft e' abbastanza difficile. Per la parte che concerne la tua domanda direi che la risposta piu' accurata e' "Di solito, no".
  
  Piu' in dettaglio, mentre un SDE scrive il codice del prodotto e un SDE/T scrive il codice che verifica che il codice del SDE faccia tutto e solo quello che deve fare, uno dei ruoli del feature PM e' definire nei dettagli che cosa deve fare il codice che il SDE scrive.
  Non e' raro che per fare questo ci si serva di prototipi, soprattutto quando si progettano API, in modo tale da definire le interfacce partendo dal codice che il developer che usera' quelle API dovra' scrivere. In questo caso, parte del lavoro del PM e' scrivere codice. E' molto raro (e secondo alcuni una stortura) che il codice di un PM entri a fare parte del prodotto.
  
  Saluti
  
  --Alessandro

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  Grazie ragazzi per le risposte: siete stati chiarissimi!
  
  BTW: Fa piacere constatare che la genialità italica di Leonardo o Michelangelo che voi avete nel vostro DNA ed esprimete nel vostro lavoro, sia esportata e applicata anche oltre oceano, a Redmond
  
  Saluti e buon lavoro,
  Giovanni
  

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  Complimenti per le interviste in italiano che permettono anche agli studenti di capire i video.

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  Ottimo lavoro.
  I do appreciate your effort to bring deep technical know-how to people not fluent in English. I noticed that on outside-US MS events vast majority of participants use the live-translation kits on english sessions which means that all those people might be unable to make use of channel9 videos. I think it should be encouraged to create multi language content.

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  Innanzitutto volevo ringraziarvi per queste interviste in italiano e vorrei farvi sapere che mi sono molto piacute. Penso che, più che darci delle informazioni tecniche (cosa si può pretendere in 30 minuti?), possono essere utili per capire un po' come sono le persone che lavorano in Microsoft e credo che questo obiettivo sia stato pienamente raggiunto.
  Aspetterò con ansia le nuove puntate.
  
  Volevo anche segnalare che l'articolo sulla scrittura di applicazioni affidabili con .NET è uscito.
  
  Saluti da Venezia
  

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  @Vittorio:@Skriker V1.0:Vittorio, Skriker, I would like to add something to what Vittorio said. There are many people out there who are brilliant, but dont know English well. Infact in India, I feel this is more of a problem. Since many people believe that English is needed for doing a job (which is very silly). It puts at disadvantage, those people who dont know English. If one really counts, the countries where people are speaking English as their mother tongue, you could use your fingers. Thats why focus on application localization is a de-facto standard. Some of the more progressive countries like Japan, Switzerland, Germany, Canada (many parts) dont have to use English.