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Visual Studio 2008 Code Name "Orcas" Beta 2 has just hit the wire and, since it's Beta 2, this means VS2008 is feature complete (oh, and it's GoLive! as well)!!!
"Orcas" represents a major evolution for Visual Studio and our suite of .NET languages. Who better to talk about what's new in "Orcas" than our friends S. Somasegar (Everybody calls him Soma), VP of the Developer
Division (the group that makes all of our development technologies), and
Scott Guthrie, General Manager and one of Microsoft's most prolific employees (now a senior manager, but he keeps his hands in the technologies he and team build and innovate).
Here, we talk about what's new, exactly, why you (the developer) should care about it, what's changed from Beta 1 to Beta 2, what's the general process of building "Orcas" (we will dig deeper into this with the folks who drive the new, improved development
process in the Developer Division), how feature cut decisions are made.
In this conversation, Scott makes a very interesting comment about the state of .NET languages like VB9 and C# 3.0: In his mind, they represent the most dramatic change since .NET 1.0 in terms of power and productivity.
As always, it's great to chat with Soma and Scott. DevDiv is loaded with talent, from top to bottom.
Play with Beta 2!
Enjoy.
Congratz on the new milestone. Im so downloading this beta!!!
Hmm... must check this out!
and see if the GoLive! is now or a later rev.
too bad I don't have the time to submit a pile of bug reps etc... like I did in the VS2005 time frame... Still have a VS2005 Cube from Soma and crew... the "thanks for all the testing" thing they sent out after the final cut.
figuerres wrote:Hmm... must check this out!
and see if the GoLive! is now or a later rev.
too bad I don't have the time to submit a pile of bug reps etc... like I did in the VS2005 time frame... Still have a VS2005 Cube from Soma and crew...
the "thanks for all the testing" thing they sent out after the final cut.
moonwalkercs wrote:Would it be possible to get a lower resolution version of this video? With these large files, on my machine at least, the video is completely unwatchable.
Thank you, thank you guys! Looks to be the best yet. I have been chomping ever few hours waiting for this one. Been wanting to use the linq class model on a db app and use the sql ce sync designer. Hopefully, this all works out. I would like to see more tutorials on linq and databinding and local ce and remote sql solutions. Have a few out, but need some more coverage.
Great!!
Installing. What is the "Microsoft Document Explorer 2008" ? tia
schroedl wrote:C++/CLI offers a somewhat painful approach to the .NET libraries.
schroedl wrote:I'll add my support to Martin here. C++ is clearly become the red-headed stepchild of the VS requirement teams. Many, many apps are still done in native C++ and C++/CLI offers a somewhat painful approach to the .NET libraries.
Where's my C++ refactoring support??!!!!! Unit testing support? MSBuild support? all missing.
John
stevetei wrote:...we know that C++ developers are secure and self-confident in their own coolness and don't need all of that public relations stuff to tell them they're cool.
figuerres wrote:Still have a VS2005 Cube from Soma and crew...
Oh, how I miss my ACE cube! A month ago my little son dropped it from the desk and it broke in dozen of pieces. I was so sad! I am not begging but I wish I could get a replacement
I am also dowloading beta 2 at home, using Avalanche. Very cool stuff!
Hi folks,
For those of you interested in the LINQ to SharePoint project mentioned by Scott in this video (thanks Scott!), take a look at
www.codeplex.com/LINQtoSharePoint. Although we're still in the alpha stage, it's already worth to check out if you're targeting SharePoint list data in your .NET apps. Next week, we'll sync up with Orcas
Beta 2, followed by a new alpha release mid August.
Have fun with Beta 2,
-Bart
Great video Charles! Very informative.
Tried out the new beta last night... first major disappointment: still no quickwatch in C# Express... Dang. Looking forward to exploring the new features, though.
schroedl wrote:
Where's my C++ refactoring support??!!!!!
John
Pretty sweet guys. Have been using it and the linq support and other features are fantastic. Some feedback so far:
1) Today Carot dissappeared like in vs2005 bug. Seems to be a delay thing as it appeared again after ~1 minute or so. Don't know how to repro yet.
2) Naturally, SqlCe needs LinqToSql designer/provider support.
3) A property dropper (ala Expression) would be cool to copy properties between controls.
4) The help explorer is much snapper to load on F1. Very nice. Naturally some missing links (i.e. foreach), but I suspect that is WIP.
I will try to keep a list going. Well done folks.
Whoa - I stopped watching orcas when Expressions came out - didn't think that it was going on to a full blown VS2k8, lol!
Downloading now to see how vb.net has changed - I just hope the changes aren't as drastic as those between VS2k3 and 2005, I spent quite a few months working out how to upgrade one site that had just over a hundred incompatibilities...
May be a few weeks until I post back on it though, since I have a pile of stuff to get through before I can get to it.
chores, chores, chores...!
EddaRuss wrote:Seems like the WPF designer still needs work. I was building C# WPF test apss and ran into a variety of issues.
where? forgot...Charles wrote:
EddaRuss wrote:
Seems like the WPF designer still needs work. I was building C# WPF test apss and ran into a variety of issues.
Please report the issues, my friend! The VS team will want to know about them.
C
you mean http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/Feedback wich is not working?Ion Todirel wrote:where? forgot...
Charles wrote:
EddaRuss wrote:
Seems like the WPF designer still needs work. I was building C# WPF test apss and ran into a variety of issues.
Please report the issues, my friend! The VS team will want to know about them.
C