WEBVTT 00:00:00.310 --> 00:00:02.230 I know exactly what you're thinking. 00:00:02.230 --> 00:00:04.498 How is when your boss asks you to do something, 00:00:04.498 --> 00:00:07.829 you're gonna be successful when you don't know this technology? 00:00:07.829 --> 00:00:11.371 What if I introduced to a team who is very new to really high end 00:00:11.371 --> 00:00:15.710 technologies and they came out on the other side successful as well? 00:00:15.710 --> 00:00:19.238 Inspiring, yes and that's this episode Of DevRadio. 00:00:19.238 --> 00:00:29.238 [MUSIC] 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:46.552 Hi, and welcome to the next episode of Microsoft DevRadio. 00:00:46.552 --> 00:00:50.281 I'm Jerry Nixon, and hey, we've got a full house we've got Adina. 00:00:50.281 --> 00:00:52.754 We've got Gavin, two of my favorite evangelists. 00:00:52.754 --> 00:00:54.529 And we've also got the Shelfie Team. 00:00:54.529 --> 00:00:55.692 What does Shelfie do? 00:00:55.692 --> 00:00:58.136 That's what were talking about today. 00:00:58.136 --> 00:00:59.240 [LAUGH] >> All right, 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:00.337 let's begin with you Adina. 00:01:00.337 --> 00:01:03.102 Adina, welcome to the show. 00:01:03.102 --> 00:01:05.965 >> Hello, thank you for having me. 00:01:05.965 --> 00:01:10.802 >> My goodness, you are a evangelist in what location? 00:01:10.802 --> 00:01:12.455 >> I'm in New York City. 00:01:12.455 --> 00:01:13.612 >> You are in New York city? 00:01:13.612 --> 00:01:15.925 It's hopping in New York city. 00:01:15.925 --> 00:01:18.866 Adina, I am so happy to have you on the show I can even tell that you 00:01:18.866 --> 00:01:20.920 have so much good energy I love it. 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:24.077 Now, are you okay now that you have had to spend so 00:01:24.077 --> 00:01:25.550 much time with Gavin? 00:01:25.550 --> 00:01:28.134 >> [LAUGH] >> I'm a little wounded, but 00:01:28.134 --> 00:01:31.903 considering we're on the same team I've gotten kinda used to it. 00:01:31.903 --> 00:01:33.239 >> Gavin's on the call. 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.383 >> [LAUGH] >> I am, I'm here. 00:01:36.383 --> 00:01:38.246 >> Adina, tell us a little bit about yourself. 00:01:38.246 --> 00:01:41.597 What's your technical specialty? 00:01:41.597 --> 00:01:45.193 What do you like to do or is it changing? 00:01:45.193 --> 00:01:48.651 >> Well, it's always changing such is the nature of our job, but 00:01:48.651 --> 00:01:51.911 my technical specialties, plural, focus in VR, MR, and 00:01:51.911 --> 00:01:54.065 other types of immersive media. 00:01:54.065 --> 00:01:58.771 With hollow lens, as well as cross-platform development in game 00:01:58.771 --> 00:02:03.233 development and game design as well as Xamarin and .Net core. 00:02:03.233 --> 00:02:07.302 So open source technologies as well with .Net core I could go on. 00:02:07.302 --> 00:02:09.611 >> I wanna be you when I grow up Adina this is terrific. 00:02:09.611 --> 00:02:12.259 Now, I think, having a little bit of, 00:02:12.259 --> 00:02:16.434 being the expert in the VR right now, you're on the cusp man, 00:02:16.434 --> 00:02:20.150 this is about to become a VR world I think, don't you? 00:02:20.150 --> 00:02:22.522 And don't you feel like Microsoft is about to announce something huge? 00:02:22.522 --> 00:02:24.260 I mean, I'm not revealing anything. 00:02:24.260 --> 00:02:25.130 I just feel it. 00:02:25.130 --> 00:02:26.492 Don't you feel it in the air? 00:02:26.492 --> 00:02:30.180 >> This is a topic that would take the rest of the show so- 00:02:30.180 --> 00:02:31.041 >> Well it was a yes 00:02:31.041 --> 00:02:32.104 no the questions. 00:02:32.104 --> 00:02:34.802 This is gonna be a long show I can feel it already. 00:02:34.802 --> 00:02:38.976 Okay, this is now, Adina, when we start talking about Shelfie, 00:02:38.976 --> 00:02:43.076 I am super interested in talking about all the stuff that happened 00:02:43.076 --> 00:02:45.255 inside the Xamarin world. 00:02:45.255 --> 00:02:46.806 But not yet, not yet, 00:02:46.806 --> 00:02:51.229 I'm forced just by protocol to acknowledge that Gavin is here. 00:02:51.229 --> 00:02:55.158 [LAUGH] Gavin, Gavin Bauman. 00:02:55.158 --> 00:02:56.148 Now where are you Gavin? 00:02:56.148 --> 00:03:00.100 I'm based in sunny Boston right now. 00:03:00.100 --> 00:03:00.907 >> Sunny Boston, 00:03:00.907 --> 00:03:04.646 a Microsoft technical evangelist Gavin comes to us from sunny Boston. 00:03:04.646 --> 00:03:06.357 >> [LAUGH] >> Nice. 00:03:06.357 --> 00:03:08.337 >> [LAUGH] Well, welcome Gavin, man. 00:03:08.337 --> 00:03:09.744 It's awesome to have you on the show. 00:03:09.744 --> 00:03:11.157 I don't think I've ever had you on the show. 00:03:11.157 --> 00:03:13.135 >> No, this is my first time here. 00:03:13.135 --> 00:03:14.004 I'm super stoked. 00:03:14.004 --> 00:03:16.750 >> Awesome, well, finally we're gonna make the grade- 00:03:16.750 --> 00:03:17.580 >> I know. 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:19.977 >> And then we have >> It's gonna be awesome. 00:03:19.977 --> 00:03:20.959 >> I feel like you've been skipping my name on 00:03:20.959 --> 00:03:21.706 the list intentionally Jerry. 00:03:21.706 --> 00:03:24.854 >> No, your people don't call my people it's the weirdest thing. 00:03:24.854 --> 00:03:25.597 >> Okay, okay. 00:03:25.597 --> 00:03:27.420 >> I try to work it all out. Now- 00:03:27.420 --> 00:03:29.028 >> I'll take my fans with me. 00:03:29.028 --> 00:03:31.915 >> Make the relationship such as I know what's going on. 00:03:31.915 --> 00:03:35.160 How did you connect with Brendon in the first place? 00:03:36.340 --> 00:03:36.880 >> Yeah, yeah, so 00:03:36.880 --> 00:03:40.800 we actually met Brendan through my manager Steve Ramsey. 00:03:42.160 --> 00:03:45.296 He introduced us, they happened to be local, and we love, love, 00:03:45.296 --> 00:03:47.713 love the mission that Brendon was trying to build. 00:03:47.713 --> 00:03:52.120 And that's connecting fundraisers in a digital way that previously, 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.131 you'll think about it as we talk about Shelfie, 00:03:55.131 --> 00:03:57.380 we'll know a little bit more. 00:03:57.380 --> 00:03:59.540 But you would have thought that this was a thing already, but 00:03:59.540 --> 00:04:01.660 it's totally not he saw a need and he's filling it. 00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:03.698 >> Man, it happens every time. 00:04:03.698 --> 00:04:06.722 I'm constantly wondering why these things don't already exist as people 00:04:06.722 --> 00:04:07.680 invent them. 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:08.368 It's crazy! 00:04:08.368 --> 00:04:10.339 It seems so straightforward and so great. 00:04:10.339 --> 00:04:11.955 All right, enough talking about Brendan. 00:04:11.955 --> 00:04:13.187 Let's talk to Brendan. 00:04:13.187 --> 00:04:16.122 Hey, Brendan, you are, let's see. 00:04:16.122 --> 00:04:18.726 What city are you in, Brendan? 00:04:18.726 --> 00:04:20.263 >> I'm in Wellesley, Massachusetts. 00:04:20.263 --> 00:04:22.870 >> But you're not always in Wellesley, Massachusetts, are you? 00:04:22.870 --> 00:04:27.133 >> Babson College in Wellesley, yes. 00:04:27.133 --> 00:04:27.708 >> Got it. 00:04:27.708 --> 00:04:28.662 You're a student? 00:04:28.662 --> 00:04:29.923 >> I am a senior, yes. 00:04:29.923 --> 00:04:34.267 >> Man, look at, you're doing all of this while you're in school makes me 00:04:34.267 --> 00:04:37.490 feel like I just wasted my whole life it's terrific. 00:04:37.490 --> 00:04:38.433 >> No. 00:04:38.433 --> 00:04:40.014 >> Tell me a little about yourself, Brendan. 00:04:40.014 --> 00:04:41.874 What are you studying? 00:04:41.874 --> 00:04:43.888 >> Yeah, sure, so like I said, I'm a senior and 00:04:43.888 --> 00:04:45.906 I'm studying Business Administration, and 00:04:45.906 --> 00:04:48.730 I have a kind of intensive track in entrepreneurship. 00:04:48.730 --> 00:04:50.802 So everything I do is really hands on learning rather than 00:04:50.802 --> 00:04:51.542 being lectured at. 00:04:51.542 --> 00:04:55.212 We're kind of going out and doing more things hands on. 00:04:55.212 --> 00:04:58.114 >> Nice, wow, and so is its with your brain child. 00:04:58.114 --> 00:04:59.927 Shelfie just came to you in the night. 00:04:59.927 --> 00:05:01.658 You're taking a shower probably, right. 00:05:01.658 --> 00:05:02.980 And all of a sudden, there it is. 00:05:02.980 --> 00:05:04.880 There's Shelfie ready to go. 00:05:04.880 --> 00:05:07.502 And we know that on the call there's five of us, 00:05:07.502 --> 00:05:10.270 there is Adina of course, Gavin, there's you. 00:05:10.270 --> 00:05:12.234 And then we've also got other than Nathan, 00:05:12.234 --> 00:05:13.729 now are you friends with Nathan? 00:05:13.729 --> 00:05:15.590 How did you bumped in with Nathan? 00:05:15.590 --> 00:05:19.165 >> Yes, sure, so my room mate is a partner at Ventures and 00:05:19.165 --> 00:05:20.655 he also runs a nonprofit. 00:05:20.655 --> 00:05:22.796 And I connected with a bunch of people, and 00:05:22.796 --> 00:05:24.878 he kinda asked me what I needed and I said, 00:05:24.878 --> 00:05:28.051 I really would like to get on the Windows and Android platform. 00:05:28.051 --> 00:05:31.973 So he connected me to Nathan and then the rest is history. 00:05:31.973 --> 00:05:35.162 >> That's right, yeah you like to get in the Windows platform and 00:05:35.162 --> 00:05:37.800 I heard you say it and that's exactly right. 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.747 And so I called to Nathan they called you, 00:05:39.747 --> 00:05:42.206 because they wanted to get on the Windows platform. 00:05:42.206 --> 00:05:46.924 Now, why would they call you to get on the Windows platform? 00:05:46.924 --> 00:05:50.157 >> Well, so, for the past three years all my development 00:05:50.157 --> 00:05:53.812 work has been around a lot of like the ASP.NET MVC framework so 00:05:53.812 --> 00:05:55.750 I was already used to using C#. 00:05:55.750 --> 00:05:58.637 And right when I heard that there was an opportunity for 00:05:58.637 --> 00:06:01.900 Xamarin I said, it's a great time to learn new technology and 00:06:01.900 --> 00:06:03.118 see where I can excel. 00:06:03.118 --> 00:06:05.024 >> And now you're also a student aren't you? 00:06:05.024 --> 00:06:06.226 >> I am. 00:06:06.226 --> 00:06:08.208 >> Now, where are you right now? 00:06:08.208 --> 00:06:10.240 >> I go to Northeastern University. 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.812 I'm in my third year cuz we have the five year program but 00:06:12.812 --> 00:06:15.870 I'm studying in Computer Science and Math. 00:06:15.870 --> 00:06:18.254 >> Now, you're not just any old student. 00:06:18.254 --> 00:06:20.573 You’re a special student specially in the Microsoft world. 00:06:20.573 --> 00:06:22.934 Tell us just a little bit about that. 00:06:22.934 --> 00:06:25.777 >> Yeah, so just recently as of this semester I've become 00:06:25.777 --> 00:06:28.690 the North Eastern Microsoft Student Partner. 00:06:28.690 --> 00:06:31.674 So that's been a lot of fun, it's taken over my life but 00:06:31.674 --> 00:06:32.444 in a good way. 00:06:32.444 --> 00:06:35.324 So, doing a lot for that, doing a lot for Shelfie and 00:06:35.324 --> 00:06:37.280 trying to stay on top for school. 00:06:37.280 --> 00:06:38.726 It's been a lot of, it's been a juggling act. 00:06:38.726 --> 00:06:39.518 >> Yeah, yeah, 00:06:39.518 --> 00:06:42.694 there's a lot going on at one time in your life right now. 00:06:42.694 --> 00:06:45.148 Now, MSP, Microsoft Student Partner, 00:06:45.148 --> 00:06:49.289 Microsoft has student partners in many, many, many universities, 00:06:49.289 --> 00:06:52.150 including yours of course, obviously. 00:06:52.150 --> 00:06:53.498 And just out of curiosity, 00:06:53.498 --> 00:06:56.487 obviously we're not here to talk about the MSP program, but 00:06:56.487 --> 00:06:59.015 in a couple of sentences, what it like to be in MSP? 00:06:59.015 --> 00:07:00.705 What do they ask you to do? 00:07:00.705 --> 00:07:04.755 >> So it ranges all the way from representing Microsoft as a brand on 00:07:04.755 --> 00:07:08.580 campus, but also tying to get other students whether they be 00:07:08.580 --> 00:07:11.740 developers or people that just have soft skills. 00:07:11.740 --> 00:07:14.443 Get them interested in any of the products that Microsoft offers. 00:07:14.443 --> 00:07:17.140 So it's really cool to be able to say, hey there is this technology 00:07:17.140 --> 00:07:19.580 that I've been using from Microsoft that I love. 00:07:19.580 --> 00:07:23.130 And I wanna make sure I can share it with a lot of other people so 00:07:23.130 --> 00:07:25.442 that they can also use it to their best. 00:07:25.442 --> 00:07:28.121 >> Yeah, and it's a heck of a resume bullet if you don't mind me just 00:07:28.121 --> 00:07:29.262 tossing that in there too. 00:07:29.262 --> 00:07:31.521 >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] 00:07:31.521 --> 00:07:32.347 >> It is. 00:07:32.347 --> 00:07:35.727 >> I always fudge it a little bit it's sorta like when I write down 00:07:35.727 --> 00:07:39.050 numbers and I blur them so nobody gets the exact thing right? 00:07:39.050 --> 00:07:43.088 Right for MSP, you're like the most important intern at Microsoft. 00:07:43.088 --> 00:07:44.255 That's the way I put it down. 00:07:44.255 --> 00:07:47.110 [LAUGH] >> Thanks. 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:49.624 >> Well men, I could tell you're a terrific MSP. 00:07:49.624 --> 00:07:54.258 I mean, I love talking to MSPs because they have the enthusiasm. 00:07:54.258 --> 00:07:56.494 I mean, it's all right there and enough about you. 00:07:56.494 --> 00:07:59.521 Okay, now, we're gonna go back and we're gonna talk to Brenden. 00:07:59.521 --> 00:08:02.965 Brenden, the whole show we wanna talk about Shelfie. 00:08:02.965 --> 00:08:05.018 We know this is a terrific idea of yours. 00:08:05.018 --> 00:08:09.650 Gavin gave us a hint, tell us what it is just at a business level. 00:08:09.650 --> 00:08:12.293 >> Yeah, sure, so Shelfie actually stands for share yourself. 00:08:12.293 --> 00:08:14.800 And what we're doing is creating fundraising photo and 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.840 video campaigns for nonprofits with the ultimate goal of enhancing 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:21.070 awareness, engagement and retention around these causes. 00:08:21.070 --> 00:08:24.194 And what the ultimate goal kind of based on that is building 00:08:24.194 --> 00:08:26.118 communities around these causes. 00:08:26.118 --> 00:08:28.817 >> Is building community around these causes. 00:08:28.817 --> 00:08:30.576 Now, where does technology come in and 00:08:30.576 --> 00:08:32.440 why isn't this already happening? 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.185 What's in the way? >> Sure, so kind of the basis 00:08:34.185 --> 00:08:37.370 inspiration was watching the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge. 00:08:37.370 --> 00:08:39.733 Two things they didn't do really well is one, 00:08:39.733 --> 00:08:41.133 the centralization of it. 00:08:41.133 --> 00:08:44.438 So it really wasn't on a platform all together it was kind of among 00:08:44.438 --> 00:08:48.106 multiple social media feeds and then based on that their retention rates 00:08:48.106 --> 00:08:52.130 weren't that great so they weren't actually getting second donors. 00:08:52.130 --> 00:08:54.672 And then the second problem they didn't really focus on that we're 00:08:54.672 --> 00:08:56.556 trying to capitalize on is the awareness factor. 00:08:56.556 --> 00:08:59.157 And many people still don't know what ALS is. 00:08:59.157 --> 00:09:03.065 It’s a degenerative nerve disease, which causes tingle sensations and 00:09:03.065 --> 00:09:06.091 ice on your skin, actually gives you that sensation, so 00:09:06.091 --> 00:09:09.864 they're trying to give you a glimpse into their world. 00:09:09.864 --> 00:09:10.894 >> Man, that is awesome. 00:09:10.894 --> 00:09:11.515 And man, 00:09:11.515 --> 00:09:16.260 how bold are you to say the ALS ice bucket challenge wasn't successful. 00:09:16.260 --> 00:09:20.109 But in a lot of ways, you can see how It was crazy successful, and 00:09:20.109 --> 00:09:23.687 they, totally, missed out on a huge opportunity as well. 00:09:23.687 --> 00:09:26.380 >> Yes, so I'm saying it was widely successful. 00:09:26.380 --> 00:09:28.209 But it could have been even more successful if people 00:09:28.209 --> 00:09:30.130 understood what the actual cause was. 00:09:30.130 --> 00:09:31.426 >> What if they had just use Shelfie. 00:09:31.426 --> 00:09:32.458 Wouldn’t that have been a lot easier? 00:09:32.458 --> 00:09:35.526 >> [LAUGH] >> Well, hopefully yes. 00:09:35.526 --> 00:09:38.355 And again, that comes to the whole community factor where you get 00:09:38.355 --> 00:09:41.445 finding individuals together who are tackling similar problems to put 00:09:41.445 --> 00:09:43.791 their brain power together and solve them together. 00:09:43.791 --> 00:09:45.654 >> All right take me back in time but 00:09:45.654 --> 00:09:47.872 bring everything we've got with us. 00:09:47.872 --> 00:09:50.188 What would the Ice Bucket Challenge look like? 00:09:50.188 --> 00:09:53.509 How would it be different if we were able to use Shelfie? 00:09:53.509 --> 00:09:56.433 >> Yeah sure, so one of the kind of missed numbers is, 00:09:56.433 --> 00:09:58.473 we have very similar to webpage, so 00:09:58.473 --> 00:10:01.745 when you sign in the nonprof has a page dedicated to them. 00:10:01.745 --> 00:10:04.965 So it'll tell you what the non profit is, what their mission aligns 00:10:04.965 --> 00:10:07.930 with, and where the money it will actually funded. 00:10:07.930 --> 00:10:10.492 There'll be a fund raising tracker that tell you how much they 00:10:10.492 --> 00:10:12.806 initially want to raise so you're not blind sided, and 00:10:12.806 --> 00:10:14.350 find out how much was raised beyond. 00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:17.674 And then probably the biggest factor along with the fundraising is 00:10:17.674 --> 00:10:20.210 a social impact report to follow up with you. 00:10:20.210 --> 00:10:22.860 To tell you exactly what kind of impact you had in individual and 00:10:22.860 --> 00:10:23.950 community level. 00:10:23.950 --> 00:10:27.240 And then the other factor is, is you're not only sharing this kind of 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.420 content with your friends, but other people who are really interested in 00:10:30.420 --> 00:10:33.650 this cause, and to trying to initially defeat it. 00:10:33.650 --> 00:10:36.670 >> Yeah, wow, that would have been so meaningful. 00:10:36.670 --> 00:10:38.330 I did the ice bucket challenge. 00:10:38.330 --> 00:10:41.790 And when I shared it out, sure, I only shared it out to the small 00:10:41.790 --> 00:10:44.420 handful of people that are in my community. 00:10:44.420 --> 00:10:47.405 Certainly didn't get that grasp of a larger community, 00:10:47.405 --> 00:10:50.350 cuz it was all shared through Facebook and Twitter and 00:10:50.350 --> 00:10:52.230 just whatever you happened to have. 00:10:52.230 --> 00:10:56.150 Not some big motion that everybody could just join part of. 00:10:56.150 --> 00:10:57.120 That's very cool. 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:58.882 Gavin you do the ice bucket challenge? 00:10:58.882 --> 00:11:00.458 >> I did not. 00:11:00.458 --> 00:11:02.790 I was dared to do it and I said no, 00:11:02.790 --> 00:11:06.380 because I didn't want to be doused with a bucket of ice water. 00:11:06.380 --> 00:11:07.995 I instead just donated. 00:11:07.995 --> 00:11:10.360 [LAUGH] Like a plebeian. 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:10.936 >> That's [CROSSTALK]. 00:11:10.936 --> 00:11:11.465 >> It's okay. 00:11:11.465 --> 00:11:14.850 >> [LAUGH] Man, if you had only had Shelfie you would've been so 00:11:14.850 --> 00:11:15.550 motivated. 00:11:15.550 --> 00:11:18.012 Adina did you do the Ice Bucket Challenge? 00:11:18.012 --> 00:11:21.758 >> Nope, I sat that one out because it looked incredibly unpleasant. 00:11:21.758 --> 00:11:26.770 >> [LAUGH] >> Well, I'm right there with you. 00:11:26.770 --> 00:11:28.190 Nathan, save the day. 00:11:28.190 --> 00:11:30.080 Did you do the Ice Bucket Challenge? 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.240 >> No, I did not. 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:33.080 >> Just make it up. 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:34.155 Nobody's gonna know. 00:11:34.155 --> 00:11:34.716 >> [LAUGH] >> All right, 00:11:34.716 --> 00:11:36.589 I appreciate all of your honesty, [CROSSTALK]. 00:11:36.589 --> 00:11:38.439 >> I can't do that. 00:11:38.439 --> 00:11:39.257 >> You all would have, 00:11:39.257 --> 00:11:41.916 had you only been part of this giant network that was able to do it. 00:11:41.916 --> 00:11:42.544 >> Exactly. 00:11:42.544 --> 00:11:43.116 >> Definitely. 00:11:43.116 --> 00:11:46.960 >> Exactly, all right, so Nathan, set us up. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.010 This is just about to begin. 00:11:49.010 --> 00:11:51.570 You get a call or some sort of connection, and they're like hey, 00:11:51.570 --> 00:11:52.830 we've got this thing. 00:11:52.830 --> 00:11:56.300 Where did it start, what technology did we begin with on the field? 00:11:56.300 --> 00:11:57.290 What was your experience? 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.380 >> So it was a little interesting. 00:12:00.380 --> 00:12:02.490 Brandon and I talked about how we were going to be going 00:12:02.490 --> 00:12:07.030 down to the Microsoft Hackfest in, I think it was two to three weeks. 00:12:07.030 --> 00:12:11.310 And our first task was looking over the old iOS code. 00:12:11.310 --> 00:12:16.270 And as someone who hasn't had any experience with that, it was fun but 00:12:16.270 --> 00:12:21.210 also excruciating to delve into trying to work with a lot of the Mac 00:12:21.210 --> 00:12:23.000 products that I haven't worked for, for years. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.970 So kinda looking over the old code, looking what we need to do when we 00:12:25.970 --> 00:12:29.260 got to Microsoft so that we could hit the ground running. 00:12:29.260 --> 00:12:32.867 And in the process we had to upgrade to Swift and 00:12:32.867 --> 00:12:37.876 that didn't go well, and we basically spent the couple weeks. 00:12:37.876 --> 00:12:41.352 I know Gavin could attest this on the first day, we were banging 00:12:41.352 --> 00:12:44.828 our heads trying to work with Swift and work with the old code and 00:12:44.828 --> 00:12:47.420 see what we could port right over the Xamarin. 00:12:47.420 --> 00:12:51.230 >> So I've got a project, it must have started in Objective-C. 00:12:51.230 --> 00:12:54.200 And you are upgrading then to, 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.030 that's almost like talking about COBOL anymore. 00:12:56.030 --> 00:12:59.499 It's hilarious how things have changed in such a short amount 00:12:59.499 --> 00:13:00.038 of time. 00:13:00.038 --> 00:13:01.751 We're like, [CROSSTALK] are you ridiculous. 00:13:01.751 --> 00:13:04.515 And so it starts with Objective-C, the natural thing is, 00:13:04.515 --> 00:13:06.550 we've got to upgrade this to Swift. 00:13:06.550 --> 00:13:10.250 We have these other applications, other platforms that we have to hit. 00:13:10.250 --> 00:13:11.420 What are their technologies? 00:13:11.420 --> 00:13:13.760 Now, we need to duplicate the effort over there. 00:13:13.760 --> 00:13:14.840 Adina, what do you do? 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.610 You come in and you're like now wait a minute, 00:13:17.610 --> 00:13:19.510 there's must be a better way. 00:13:20.980 --> 00:13:23.660 So after messing around with Swift for 00:13:23.660 --> 00:13:26.660 a bit we did try, we gave it a real effort. 00:13:26.660 --> 00:13:29.202 We decided to- >> Let's call it a college try. 00:13:29.202 --> 00:13:35.380 >> The old college and just graduated college try for me, Gavin. 00:13:37.264 --> 00:13:41.210 We decided to just jump right into Xamarin and 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:46.810 look what was built on iOS and what could we build on Xamarin and 00:13:46.810 --> 00:13:49.480 try to replicate it, what we have. 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:51.520 We made a whole chart, we drew graph. 00:13:51.520 --> 00:13:54.340 We graphed it all out of what exactly we wanted 00:13:54.340 --> 00:13:55.630 each page to look like. 00:13:55.630 --> 00:13:59.000 And how would the user experience look like and 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:00.810 then try to build from there. 00:14:00.810 --> 00:14:04.030 >> So Brandon, you give me all of your code. 00:14:04.030 --> 00:14:05.145 The first thing I say is, 00:14:05.145 --> 00:14:08.410 we got to rewrite it all on this new technology called Xamarin. 00:14:08.410 --> 00:14:09.100 What did you think? 00:14:10.110 --> 00:14:14.630 >> Yes, so the first day was really interesting cuz we pivoted after 00:14:14.630 --> 00:14:16.640 sincere frustration. 00:14:16.640 --> 00:14:19.119 But the good thing was the back end was still built so 00:14:19.119 --> 00:14:21.896 it was a little easier for the front end to get connected. 00:14:21.896 --> 00:14:25.430 But iOS was just kind of a mess because we're upgrading from Swift 2 00:14:25.430 --> 00:14:29.088 to I think swift 2.3 and all the syntax changed, and no one there was 00:14:29.088 --> 00:14:33.070 an iOS developer, so we're like, yeah, we probably shouldn't do this. 00:14:33.070 --> 00:14:35.651 So we just kinda pivoted and started fresh on Xamarin apps, and 00:14:35.651 --> 00:14:37.809 we get a really nice prototype by the end of the week. 00:14:38.810 --> 00:14:39.940 >> By the end of the week? 00:14:39.940 --> 00:14:41.670 Good job Nathan, I'm proud of that. 00:14:41.670 --> 00:14:42.520 That's impressive. 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:43.180 >> Wasn't just me. 00:14:44.590 --> 00:14:45.820 >> No, it never is. 00:14:45.820 --> 00:14:48.210 Takes a village to write software, no doubt about it. 00:14:48.210 --> 00:14:50.920 Now Gavin, the back end was already in place he said, 00:14:50.920 --> 00:14:52.270 what kind of back end did we have? 00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:57.270 So, yeah, it was a Ruby on Rails sitting in AWS. 00:14:57.270 --> 00:15:02.420 And we wanted to incorporate some Azure mobile services for 00:15:02.420 --> 00:15:04.070 authentication. 00:15:04.070 --> 00:15:08.718 Because we knew that would make multiple client auth really easy. 00:15:08.718 --> 00:15:10.960 So you could sign in with Google, you could sign in with Facebook. 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.770 We're like yeah, and so we knew how to do that with Azure, of course. 00:15:14.770 --> 00:15:16.790 So we were like yeah, can we get this over? 00:15:16.790 --> 00:15:20.910 And Brandon, I feel like he left halfway through the Hackathon and 00:15:20.910 --> 00:15:23.645 replaced himself with a sign that said yes. 00:15:23.645 --> 00:15:24.800 >> [LAUGH] >> And so 00:15:24.800 --> 00:15:25.922 we got no- >> Just do it. 00:15:25.922 --> 00:15:27.081 >> We got no no's from him. 00:15:27.081 --> 00:15:28.098 He was like, yeah, make it happen. 00:15:28.098 --> 00:15:31.793 So we try and then we find out that, at this time, 00:15:31.793 --> 00:15:36.190 there's no support for Azure web apps and Ruby. 00:15:36.190 --> 00:15:40.150 And we're already halfway through the migration process at this point 00:15:40.150 --> 00:15:42.007 to find out it's not gonna work. 00:15:42.007 --> 00:15:44.920 So, we pivoted again. 00:15:45.964 --> 00:15:47.490 >> We pivoted again, all right! 00:15:48.850 --> 00:15:50.612 Never give up, never surrender. 00:15:50.612 --> 00:15:56.610 >> [LAUGH] We made it happen but we didn't do it via the past offering. 00:15:56.610 --> 00:15:59.212 We ended up kicking up another virtual machine at Azure, 00:15:59.212 --> 00:16:00.906 migrating the services over there. 00:16:00.906 --> 00:16:06.061 And we had to find out every service that we were using in AWS and find 00:16:06.061 --> 00:16:11.143 out how to map that to a service in Azure, which was challenging. 00:16:11.143 --> 00:16:14.090 By the end of the first day, I turned over to the client side work, 00:16:14.090 --> 00:16:17.320 and I said, you know what, we're not gonna get this to happen, guys. 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.020 This is gonna take the whole brunt of the Hackathon just doing this. 00:16:21.020 --> 00:16:23.820 And he's not here on the call, but Greg, another tech 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:27.000 evangelist on the west coast disappeared for like half a day. 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:28.130 And he didn't have to be there so 00:16:28.130 --> 00:16:30.560 I was like Greg just left us, he gave up. 00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:31.250 >> Right. 00:16:31.250 --> 00:16:33.240 >> He comes back the last day with the full backend and 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.460 migrated it over like a gem, just hands it to us. 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:36.769 It was beautiful [LAUGH]. 00:16:36.769 --> 00:16:38.183 >> So, it can be done. 00:16:38.183 --> 00:16:39.084 He just proved it can be done. 00:16:39.084 --> 00:16:41.520 >> It can be done, and it was done, yeah, so he was amazing. 00:16:41.520 --> 00:16:43.050 >> Yeah, so 00:16:43.050 --> 00:16:45.840 you might have to dedicate an entire half day to it but you can do it. 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.480 >> I think the word is, black magic. 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:50.220 >> Really? 00:16:50.220 --> 00:16:52.030 >> Yes, we called him black magic for 00:16:52.030 --> 00:16:54.560 the like, [LAUGH] the entire Hackathon. 00:16:54.560 --> 00:16:58.000 >> So the situation was on AWS we have a VM. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:01.420 We want that same VM running in Azure and we just need, 00:17:01.420 --> 00:17:04.840 can't you just save out the VM and load it up in Azure? 00:17:04.840 --> 00:17:07.790 >> You know, in some instances you can. 00:17:07.790 --> 00:17:10.630 If all of your resources are sitting in that VM. 00:17:10.630 --> 00:17:12.631 But in this instance we had AWS, 00:17:12.631 --> 00:17:16.200 we had their own relational database system configure. 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:18.720 They had PostgreSQL situation going on. 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:22.561 We had to figure out how to clone all of that [LAUGH] using our own 00:17:22.561 --> 00:17:25.000 services, and that's why it took that full half day. 00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:26.785 And from there, 00:17:26.785 --> 00:17:31.020 it's actually opening that VM up to the rest of the world. 00:17:31.020 --> 00:17:32.290 >> Yeah, exactly. 00:17:32.290 --> 00:17:34.348 All right, so we've got the backend inside VM here, 00:17:34.348 --> 00:17:36.720 everything's running on Ruby on Rails and ready to go. 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.470 The nice thing is, the Ruby on Rails side of stuff didn't have to be 00:17:39.470 --> 00:17:40.960 rewritten or changed obviously, 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.590 it's just sitting inside a VM executed the way you want. 00:17:43.590 --> 00:17:46.230 And then, Adina, tell me a little bit about the front end. 00:17:46.230 --> 00:17:50.000 So you said you laid down the mapping of what you wanted all 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:51.790 the screens to look like. 00:17:51.790 --> 00:17:53.440 Then, tell me about the level of effort. 00:17:54.950 --> 00:17:59.457 >> Quite the effort, neither Nathan nor I had ever done this before. 00:17:59.457 --> 00:18:04.740 And I'm not an artist, I'm not a UI, UX designer, not even a little bit. 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:08.128 So we were looking at what we had at our disposal and 00:18:08.128 --> 00:18:13.120 we used some listviews, Xamarin listview, listviews are great. 00:18:13.120 --> 00:18:16.353 We really wanted to customize the listviews and then realized we would 00:18:16.353 --> 00:18:19.162 have to make a custom view and we're like maybe not. 00:18:19.162 --> 00:18:19.752 >> Yeah. 00:18:19.752 --> 00:18:23.030 >> One of our views was a grid. 00:18:23.030 --> 00:18:24.510 But more like a grid in a grid, 00:18:24.510 --> 00:18:27.421 in a grid, in a grid, to make it all boxed out really nice. 00:18:27.421 --> 00:18:32.596 We took a little bit of inspiration of somewhere between Pinterest and 00:18:32.596 --> 00:18:34.710 Instagram, and Facebook. 00:18:34.710 --> 00:18:39.660 So for the user profile, so that we had a nice user 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:45.250 picture in the center, but then all of the images gridded out below it. 00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:47.459 >> Nice. >> So yeah, it was fun. 00:18:47.459 --> 00:18:49.546 >> Tell me a bit about Xamarin.Forms. 00:18:49.546 --> 00:18:51.462 So as you're building this out in Xamarin.Forms, 00:18:51.462 --> 00:18:53.560 obviously you're gonna hit the things you don't know. 00:18:53.560 --> 00:18:56.170 Obviously, things your gonna be difficult. 00:18:56.170 --> 00:18:57.310 Where did you go for support? 00:18:57.310 --> 00:18:59.757 Where did you go to find answers to questions you were hitting? 00:19:01.170 --> 00:19:02.990 >> Well, because the scenario we were in, 00:19:02.990 --> 00:19:05.660 the answer's actually the room next door. 00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:10.090 We were hacking with a whole bunch of other groups doing a whole bunch 00:19:10.090 --> 00:19:13.130 of other projects that we had a bunch of Xamarin experts there. 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:17.710 So we just went hey expert, do you know the answer to this. 00:19:17.710 --> 00:19:22.070 Yeah, we had to go for help because we were doing things very stupid. 00:19:23.340 --> 00:19:27.749 Such as the way of whenever you use a new technology that you don't know 00:19:27.749 --> 00:19:28.882 anything about. 00:19:28.882 --> 00:19:29.562 >> Always easy once you do it. 00:19:29.562 --> 00:19:33.150 >> Well that's why refactoring was invented, I suppose. 00:19:33.150 --> 00:19:35.960 All right Nathan what do you think, 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.250 you're going into Xamarin.Forms, was this a good choice? 00:19:39.780 --> 00:19:41.230 >> Yeah, I would definitely say it was. 00:19:41.230 --> 00:19:43.420 At the beginning there's certain things that we'd look at and 00:19:43.420 --> 00:19:43.930 we'd say, 00:19:43.930 --> 00:19:48.380 we want this but Xamarin.Forms might not be able to exactly get it. 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:51.845 And that was one thing, was our grid view. 00:19:51.845 --> 00:19:54.972 We wanted to have where we had multiple boxes on multiple levels 00:19:54.972 --> 00:19:56.860 where we could scroll through them but 00:19:56.860 --> 00:19:58.753 also click on each one individually. 00:19:58.753 --> 00:20:01.149 And that's not something that's given out the box for 00:20:01.149 --> 00:20:02.088 Xamarin.Forms, so 00:20:02.088 --> 00:20:05.280 at first you're looking at it like Maybe we should do something custom. 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:07.656 Maybe we should do a custom render for Android and for iOS. 00:20:07.656 --> 00:20:10.808 But after we spoke to Nick, he gave us 00:20:10.808 --> 00:20:14.592 really good inspiration [CROSSTALK] >> In the other room, 00:20:14.592 --> 00:20:16.710 I assume Nick Landry in the other room? 00:20:16.710 --> 00:20:17.940 >> Nick Landry, yes. 00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:21.510 >> And he was able to say hey, put a grid inside of a grid inside of 00:20:21.510 --> 00:20:24.290 a grid, and we made our box look really well. 00:20:24.290 --> 00:20:26.240 It scrolls really nicely. 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:27.940 It gave us all the functionality we want and 00:20:27.940 --> 00:20:30.430 it's really nice to look back on Xamarin forms as being something 00:20:30.430 --> 00:20:32.750 that's completely cross platform at the end of the day. 00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:35.490 So even though it might not give you the functionality out of the box 00:20:35.490 --> 00:20:38.030 the functionality is there as long as you know how to tweak 00:20:38.030 --> 00:20:39.420 it and bend it. 00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:40.450 >> What were you debugging in? 00:20:40.450 --> 00:20:43.830 Were you debugging in Android or were you debugging in Windows? 00:20:43.830 --> 00:20:45.810 >> I was debugging in Android. 00:20:45.810 --> 00:20:49.820 >> You're debugging it in Android [CROSSTALK] I use Windows. 00:20:49.820 --> 00:20:54.680 >> You use Windows Kevin yes nice your blood runs blue that's nice. 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:58.185 Now so it's beautiful you tell me Nathan that I think. 00:20:58.185 --> 00:20:59.375 I think it's beautiful. 00:20:59.375 --> 00:21:00.835 >> You debug and write the whole thing for 00:21:00.835 --> 00:21:03.135 Android and then you're like now let's just run it on. 00:21:03.135 --> 00:21:03.795 >> Exactly. 00:21:03.795 --> 00:21:06.365 >> Let's just run it on on the Macro quick, right? 00:21:06.365 --> 00:21:07.545 And there it is. 00:21:07.545 --> 00:21:09.255 It's absolutely amazing. 00:21:09.255 --> 00:21:09.755 >> Yeah. >> So, 00:21:09.755 --> 00:21:12.585 there it s ready to go ans was it enough to 00:21:12.585 --> 00:21:14.815 retire the original iOS application? 00:21:16.340 --> 00:21:21.090 >> Not yet actually we're right on the cusp of that but not yet, 00:21:21.090 --> 00:21:24.500 we're just trying to get more finalized with the custom design 00:21:24.500 --> 00:21:28.680 because some of the stuff in iOS has been put through. 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:30.600 I think, Brandon you can speak more on this, 00:21:30.600 --> 00:21:35.370 with a professional designer so. Yeah. 00:21:35.370 --> 00:21:35.610 >> Yeah. 00:21:35.610 --> 00:21:37.830 >> But what do you think Brandon? 00:21:37.830 --> 00:21:38.410 >> Yeah, sure. 00:21:38.410 --> 00:21:40.200 So the iOS is definitely ahead but 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.590 we're trying to catch the Xamarin platform up. 00:21:42.590 --> 00:21:45.240 We have new innovated design. 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.470 We're trying to rather than a knob bar at the bottom, 00:21:47.470 --> 00:21:50.510 we're doing an ellipses that slides the screen left to right. 00:21:50.510 --> 00:21:54.206 With kind of a hamburger menu for the additional features you might 00:21:54.206 --> 00:21:56.457 not need necessarily right off the bat. 00:21:56.457 --> 00:22:00.276 So we are trying to implement that now in that it would be interesting 00:22:00.276 --> 00:22:02.627 to implement with Xamarin Forms as well. 00:22:02.627 --> 00:22:03.554 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:22:03.554 --> 00:22:05.354 Now Brandon, talk to me about it. 00:22:05.354 --> 00:22:08.634 How is this now, well once everything catches up and 00:22:08.634 --> 00:22:12.760 you are like satisfied with what it is actually accomplishing. 00:22:12.760 --> 00:22:15.080 You need to find developers with just a single skill. 00:22:17.260 --> 00:22:21.500 >> Yeah so, right now we're really building up our team for summer, so 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:24.350 last summer I lived in San Francisco at hacker house so 00:22:24.350 --> 00:22:26.960 I'm trying to kind of replicate that in Cambridge. 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.840 So I want to actually live with my team and 00:22:28.840 --> 00:22:31.740 we've been heavily recruiting other than the team we have, 00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.070 we have a lot of applicants from Harvard-MIT in Stanford. 00:22:34.070 --> 00:22:36.690 And we're trying to kinda base that team in Cambridge. 00:22:36.690 --> 00:22:40.070 And then like I'm talking about is find people that are either C# in 00:22:40.070 --> 00:22:42.306 Java or Swift in Ruby on Rails. 00:22:42.306 --> 00:22:43.589 >> Yeah, right. 00:22:43.589 --> 00:22:46.620 Now, Ruby on Rails side. 00:22:46.620 --> 00:22:49.340 What was the database solution there, Gavin? 00:22:49.340 --> 00:22:50.450 What did you switch over to? 00:22:52.070 --> 00:22:52.935 >> Yeah, yeah. So, 00:22:52.935 --> 00:22:55.940 [LAUGH] we ended up moving it over. 00:22:55.940 --> 00:22:58.780 We ended up using an Azure VM. 00:22:58.780 --> 00:23:01.610 And we just kicked up an instance of MySQL on that VM. 00:23:01.610 --> 00:23:06.870 So, it ended up being a little simpler but we had to clean. 00:23:06.870 --> 00:23:09.370 Well, we had to move and then clean to make sure that 00:23:09.370 --> 00:23:12.680 there was no leftover weird data on either side. 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.670 But yeah, that was pretty much what we ended with. 00:23:15.670 --> 00:23:21.010 And it's still the Ruby On Rails application that it was before. 00:23:21.010 --> 00:23:25.880 >> Yeah very nice now walk me through one last time Brandon 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.350 tell me the features of Shelfie and the things that you see today 00:23:29.350 --> 00:23:32.673 that when we start looking at it kind of experience as well? 00:23:33.790 --> 00:23:37.530 >> Yeah, sure, so imagine kind of signing in and then you'll have 00:23:37.530 --> 00:23:41.250 a home screen of all the challenges you're following which will only be 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:44.670 populated once you go to the second screen, which kind of the initial 00:23:44.670 --> 00:23:46.520 instructions will tell you so you'll go to the page. 00:23:46.520 --> 00:23:49.250 You'll see a list of nonprofits hosting those challenges. 00:23:49.250 --> 00:23:52.070 With kind of a one line pitch about what the challenge actually is. 00:23:52.070 --> 00:23:54.500 If you're interested, you click on that, and that's where we get into 00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:56.760 the part where I mentioned earlier where it's like a web page. 00:23:56.760 --> 00:23:59.490 So we'll tell you about the nonprofit contacts, if you're 00:23:59.490 --> 00:24:02.850 a little skeptical about donating, the fund raising tracking as well as 00:24:02.850 --> 00:24:05.590 kind of a feed of the photos or videos that are being submitted. 00:24:05.590 --> 00:24:08.510 And then it's kind of gamified, which we haven't talked about. 00:24:08.510 --> 00:24:10.600 I think I haven't mentioned much publicly. 00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:13.520 And it's kind of exciting, so a lot of people are into March Madness. 00:24:13.520 --> 00:24:15.570 So what we're doing is we're competing. 00:24:15.570 --> 00:24:19.010 So the top photos will then enter bracket system, and 00:24:19.010 --> 00:24:22.480 users get to vote and see who goes to the next layer of the bracket. 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.100 And then you'll actually be able to weigh in profile achievements as 00:24:25.100 --> 00:24:27.639 well as physical prizes from the actual nonprofit. 00:24:28.890 --> 00:24:30.500 >> Cool! And then the nonprofit gets to 00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:34.130 decide what kind of game that their users are gonna play right? 00:24:34.130 --> 00:24:36.040 Everybody gets a little bit different experience that way. 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:37.420 >> Exactly. 00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:38.760 >> Yeah. Very nice. 00:24:38.760 --> 00:24:41.460 Now, tell me a little bit about the future of Shelfie. 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:43.730 Where things headed do you feel like? 00:24:44.760 --> 00:24:48.020 >> Yeah, sure, so we talked about kinda building up the team. 00:24:48.020 --> 00:24:51.425 So we're actually launching a Go Fund Me campaign for 00:24:51.425 --> 00:24:54.790 $20,000 worth a series of awards tomorrow, which is very exciting. 00:24:54.790 --> 00:24:57.170 And then yeah, we'll be doing that. 00:24:57.170 --> 00:24:59.620 We've been working hard at that building out the video and 00:24:59.620 --> 00:25:02.580 adding to the team with that money and then finalizing 00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:05.530 the iOS as well as the Xamarin so we can actually launch. 00:25:05.530 --> 00:25:08.170 And ideally we'd like to hold the beta at the end of March or 00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:11.820 early April and prepare for an early summer launch. 00:25:12.850 --> 00:25:13.580 >> Cool. 00:25:13.580 --> 00:25:15.970 Nathan what do you see next on the technology side? 00:25:15.970 --> 00:25:19.440 So now you built it up to be asperity, you start making it so 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.890 it's fully developed, but what are some of the things you speak coming? 00:25:23.890 --> 00:25:25.850 >> One of the big things since I wanna, 00:25:25.850 --> 00:25:29.206 since we're gonna be launching the Android version on December. 00:25:29.206 --> 00:25:33.090 We want to really clean a lot of like the ui views again we spoke 00:25:33.090 --> 00:25:35.765 a little bit more of factoring because there is somethings that 00:25:35.765 --> 00:25:38.810 know we might have done really quickly because we did them over 00:25:38.810 --> 00:25:39.660 the hack fest and 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:43.070 somethings we did after the hack fest that we did more radical. 00:25:43.070 --> 00:25:46.480 But I just point there's a lot more factor to go about. 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:52.040 And then, of course, testing and I guess my favorite part was coming 00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:56.170 in as web developer seeing a XAML and all the subject it could do. 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:58.580 I'd really enjoy working with the Xama and Xamarin. 00:25:58.580 --> 00:26:02.530 It really blew me away and I was telling Adina nad Garvin that I 00:26:02.530 --> 00:26:05.020 wanna try to make it a little more user friendly, 00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:07.940 make it look a little more better cuz Xamarin Forms I feel like you 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:11.320 can do a lot with after you take the default androids and 00:26:11.320 --> 00:26:14.740 the default systems styles you can do a lot more on top of that. 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:17.430 So that's where a lot of my works gonna be is doing a lot more 00:26:17.430 --> 00:26:19.560 the custom design work. 00:26:19.560 --> 00:26:20.590 >> Isn't it crazy? 00:26:20.590 --> 00:26:23.596 The shortcuts you take work on every platform. 00:26:23.596 --> 00:26:24.784 [LAUGH] >> Yeah. 00:26:24.784 --> 00:26:27.860 >> [LAUGH] >> Cross-platform hacks right here 00:26:27.860 --> 00:26:28.880 at your disposal. 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:29.675 It's pretty great. 00:26:29.675 --> 00:26:33.450 [LAUGH] Gavin, you're now the UI guy. 00:26:33.450 --> 00:26:35.520 I didn't realize that you're on both parts of it getting 00:26:35.520 --> 00:26:36.370 all this together. 00:26:36.370 --> 00:26:37.470 How long was the hackathon? 00:26:38.560 --> 00:26:40.090 It was three days? 00:26:40.090 --> 00:26:43.430 Three days guys, yeah, 19th to 22nd of November, yeah. 00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:46.810 Okay, so I was technically the lead, but 00:26:46.810 --> 00:26:49.540 I was just clothing between everything. 00:26:49.540 --> 00:26:53.900 So it was definitely a learning experience for me. 00:26:53.900 --> 00:26:55.495 It was crazy. 00:26:55.495 --> 00:26:57.360 [LAUGH] >> You what I'll tell you what's 00:26:57.360 --> 00:27:00.000 inspiring about this whole thing is, just that fact that you guys 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.920 are you're not like 500 years worth of experience all built up really 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.930 not knock out the output technology you've done it a thousand times. 00:27:08.930 --> 00:27:10.040 >> No. >> Right here, so I'm a developer 00:27:10.040 --> 00:27:10.970 watching the show and 00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:14.470 I'm like men this is way what you guys are new to this too? 00:27:14.470 --> 00:27:15.050 Wait, what? 00:27:15.050 --> 00:27:17.050 You did this in how many days again? 00:27:17.050 --> 00:27:17.950 Crazy, right? 00:27:17.950 --> 00:27:20.690 That is so awesome that this is able to come together. 00:27:20.690 --> 00:27:23.230 And obviously, you're not gonna have a fully polished, 00:27:23.230 --> 00:27:26.340 ready to go to market application in three days. 00:27:26.340 --> 00:27:29.180 But that is amazing that you can come to a point where you're like 00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:31.030 this is a validated direction. 00:27:31.030 --> 00:27:32.890 We absolutely can go this direction and 00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:35.090 be comfortable that this is where we can go, 00:27:35.090 --> 00:27:38.590 this is where we can go the next level, it's pretty sweet. 00:27:38.590 --> 00:27:40.008 Nathan, great job men. 00:27:40.008 --> 00:27:41.710 Thank you, >> [LAUGH] 00:27:41.710 --> 00:27:43.140 >> It was a lot of fun. 00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:44.368 It was a lot of fun. 00:27:44.368 --> 00:27:50.626 [CROSSTALK] >> So 00:27:50.626 --> 00:27:52.661 I need to threw this out there. 00:27:52.661 --> 00:27:55.988 I'm a Java guy through and through that came from Java love my Android, 00:27:55.988 --> 00:27:57.280 all that good stuff. 00:27:57.280 --> 00:27:59.119 And so [CROSSTALK] >> Blue blooded. 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:00.470 >> [LAUGH] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:28:00.470 --> 00:28:01.430 Totally blue blooded. 00:28:03.230 --> 00:28:07.890 But yeah, so this was one of my first big production style 00:28:07.890 --> 00:28:11.480 projects which C# we actually got to work with the team and do something. 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.350 It was a lot of fun. 00:28:13.350 --> 00:28:17.720 And Nathan, having had a .NET background, teaches me about this 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.520 black magic querying system you people have called Link. 00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:22.520 It is amazing. 00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:25.920 It's like butter men. 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.940 It was, the response we were getting from the server when we were trying 00:28:28.940 --> 00:28:32.130 to authenticate was just this huge 00:28:32.130 --> 00:28:34.110 JSON message like in the staff every. 00:28:34.110 --> 00:28:36.390 And I'm just like, how am I gonna parse this? 00:28:36.390 --> 00:28:38.740 He comes in, well there's this wear option. 00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:41.810 One line of code gets it done, and 00:28:41.810 --> 00:28:43.960 I just stand there with my jaw wide open. 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.450 It was awesome, so great job on that Nathan. 00:28:47.450 --> 00:28:50.310 And let me just back you up and say Link really is awesome and 00:28:50.310 --> 00:28:53.830 how crazy it is that I forget it's awesome. 00:28:53.830 --> 00:28:55.030 I take it for granted now and 00:28:55.030 --> 00:28:58.470 I forget to just bring it up as one of those unbelievably compelling 00:28:58.470 --> 00:29:01.320 things right it really is astounding I'm glad you bought it up. 00:29:01.320 --> 00:29:04.560 >> Yes we don't have that in Java land [LAUGH] I'm 00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:06.388 a believer now you got me. 00:29:06.388 --> 00:29:07.108 Tease. 00:29:07.108 --> 00:29:10.200 [LAUGH] >> There are other features of 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.505 C sharp which are also nice. 00:29:12.505 --> 00:29:14.350 >> [LAUGH] >> Well just leave it at that. 00:29:15.550 --> 00:29:17.760 Adida hey thanks for being on this project and 00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:20.870 on this show it sounds like it was a pretty awesome success. 00:29:20.870 --> 00:29:23.240 Yeah it really was, it was a great opportunity. 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:24.840 I'm so glad I got to work with Brandon and 00:29:24.840 --> 00:29:27.250 Nathan I'm glad I'm gonna continue to work with them, 00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:30.300 we actually have mobile dev apps 00:29:31.490 --> 00:29:34.960 mini hack on next week that we're gonna be working on together, 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:40.720 incorporating app and making a value stream map of shelfie. 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.942 Nice taking Shelfie to the next lev,very cool.Bredan,I'm 00:29:43.942 --> 00:29:47.528 interested,other on the cohort might be interested,how do we learn 00:29:47.528 --> 00:29:50.262 a little more about Shelfie?Where do you point him? 00:29:50.262 --> 00:29:52.571 >> Yes sure,so our website is so much static and 00:29:52.571 --> 00:29:55.853 I would even call it .So it's Xamarin.Form is 00:29:55.853 --> 00:29:59.780 someone would actually like.So working on building that website. 00:29:59.780 --> 00:30:03.450 And I think contacting me directly and on my email most of the day so 00:30:03.450 --> 00:30:05.300 I'm very happy to kind of people. 00:30:05.300 --> 00:30:07.270 >> What's your personal cell phone number. 00:30:07.270 --> 00:30:08.670 Just kidding, don't give to me I would 00:30:08.670 --> 00:30:10.330 >> Fine with me, it works. 00:30:10.330 --> 00:30:13.325 >> Five five five, yeah exactly. 00:30:13.325 --> 00:30:16.050 [LAUGH] So there is a website out there but 00:30:16.050 --> 00:30:19.100 some love is coming to it before anything there. 00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:19.810 Yes absolutely. 00:30:19.810 --> 00:30:22.340 >> And may some what informative. 00:30:22.340 --> 00:30:23.620 >> Some what informative? 00:30:23.620 --> 00:30:24.920 >> Yeah. >> Is off the chat compared 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:26.500 to zero so that's pretty great. 00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:27.275 That's pretty great. 00:30:27.275 --> 00:30:28.470 >> [LAUGH] >> Sure. 00:30:28.470 --> 00:30:31.150 >> Brandon thanks for thanks for putting this together, 00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:34.760 right thanks for coming up with Shelfie and being inspired like that 00:30:34.760 --> 00:30:37.930 I could tell a guy like you >> There's a lot of good ideas 00:30:37.930 --> 00:30:39.370 in a entrepreneurial program, 00:30:39.370 --> 00:30:42.310 no doubt there are more things that are coming around as well. 00:30:42.310 --> 00:30:44.550 Hey, thanks for being on the show today. 00:30:44.550 --> 00:30:45.210 >> Thank you for having us. 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:45.790 It's been great. 00:30:47.040 --> 00:30:48.640 >> Thanks Nathan, we'll see you again. 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:49.580 >> Yeah, thanks for having us. 00:30:49.580 --> 00:30:50.630 Thank you. >> Okay. 00:30:50.630 --> 00:30:52.100 >> We have Angelus. 00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:52.990 >> Bye guys. 00:30:52.990 --> 00:30:54.873 >> Bye everyone.