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Herb Sutter, the Future of Visual C++, Part II

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In this segment Herb takes us on a tour of a small part of the Visual C++ team. In there you'll meet Jonathan Caves. He's a compiler developer on the VC++ team and he likes coffee. Starbucks coffee.

Most of our applications, and Windows itself, are compiled with the VC++ team's amazing compiler. We talked a bit about the trends in the industry and how compilers are changing to react.

In the hall we meet Chuck Mitchell, a senior architect on the VC++ team. He kindly stops to chat with us about Phoenix which is a development framework for the next generation of compilers.


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  • scobleizerscobleizer I'm the video guy

    Which ones?

  • MauritsMaurits AKA Matthew van Eerde
    www.acronymfinder.com Wink
    Sometimes the results are accidentally amusing
  • From Chuck's segment:

    RDK: Research Development Kit. A variant of an SDK for use by academic and industry researchers.

    BBT: An binary analysis and transformation tool done at MSR, built on top of Vulcan

    Vulcan: a binary analysis and transformation toolkit done by MSR (now CSE)
    MSR: Microsoft Research

    CSE: Center for Software Excellence (for a bit more on CSE, Vulcan and BBT see http://www.microsoft.com/windows/cse/bit.mspx)

    JIT: Just In Time compiler, used by the CLR to transform MSIL into native code.

    CLR: Common Language Runtime -- the runtime environment that hosts .Net.

    MSIL: MicroSoft Intermediate Language -- the bytecode intermediate language used by .Net.

    UTC: Universal Tuple Compiler -- our name for the current command line compiler backend.

    Prefast: a compiler-hosted defect analysis tool initially done by MSR that is now part of the Whidbey C/C++ compiler.

  • Did you get a chance to talk/film with Stan Lippman also?

  • William Staceystaceyw Before C# there was darkness...
    Really nice guys.  I really liked this one for some reason.  That Phoenix seems really cool.  Will be neat to hear from Chuck in future.  Cheers!

  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    Harish wrote:

    Did you get a chance to talk/film with Stan Lippman also?

  • Charles wrote:
    Harish wrote:

    Did you get a chance to talk/film with Stan Lippman also?


    Any plans to?
  • I gained a lot from watching both parts of this series and reading Herb's article "The Free Lunch Is Over: A Fundamental Turn Toward Concurrency in Software" at http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm. Herb has a way of getting us really fired up.

    ZDNet (at http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9593_22-5563796.html?tag=nl.e539) reports that “James Gosling, CTO of Sun's Developer Products group and the father of the Java programming language, has called Microsoft's decision to support C and C++ in the common language runtime in .Net one of the "biggest and most offensive mistakes that they could have made" in his speech to developers at an event in Sydney earlier this week.” The article goes on to say that “Microsoft developer evangelist Charles Sterling didn't entirely disagree with Gosling's comments, but he sought to clarify the issue with .NET's security.”

    I would like to hear what Herb has to say on the issues raised. If he already has, I would appreciate a link so I can understand the issues more clearly and avoid making mistakes.

    I find myself spending a lot more time at Chanel 9 lately and I also vote for having transcripts of the segments. Since I have a JD rather than a CS degree, my learning has to go through sort of a translation process. I would like to know which books Herb would recommend to those of us without the CS background.

  • ZippyVZippyV Fired Up
    I have 2 questions:
    • Do other programmers get that shipment award too, or why does Jonathan Caves only get it?
    • When will the general public see something from that Phoenix compiler? The next Visual Studio after 2005?
  • CharlesCharles Welcome Change
    ZippyV wrote:
    • Do other programmers get that shipment award too, or why does Jonathan Caves only get it?

    Every employee who is on a product team that ships something significant receives a ship-it award, generally, but not always.
  • Are there any plans to show any more videos which concentrate on C++/CLI.

    I seem to remember that Charles mentioned a new set of videos called "Think Tankin' which would feature Herb Sutter. 

    Any ideas when we can expect to see these videos?


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