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Ken Levy, XML Tools in VS 2005

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Ken Levy, a Channel 9 veteran interviewee, talks to us about the nifty XML tools in Visual Studio 2005.

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    • Analise
      I'm downloading the wmv file and it says 1,46GB is this correct ?!
    • Charles
      Analise wrote:
      I'm downloading the wmv file and it says 1,46GB is this correct ?!


      Mama mia! I hope not.

      C
    • Arran
      says the same for me.
    • scobleizer
      Oh, yikes.

      Charles, looks like we uploaded the raw video, not the MBR one.
    • dreamz_infi​net
      So, should we wait for a compressed version?
    • figuerres
      scobleizer wrote:
      Oh, yikes.

      Charles, looks like we uploaded the raw video, not the MBR one.


      Smiley

      did you mean "VBR" as in Variable Bit Rate or if not what is an "MBR" ?? if I may ask??

    • scobleizer
      Yeah, sorry.

      MBR is multiple bit rate video.

      The one here is probably a 1.5 gbps video. The ones that we usually put up here are 300kbps.
    • androidi
      scobleizer wrote:
      Oh, yikes.

      Charles, looks like we uploaded the raw video, not the MBR one.


      Wow thats great! I'm going to dl it and try make it H.264 to see if it can beat the WMV quality at the 300 kbps rate.


      I watched this video from the 291 kbps stream and 20 first minutes was pretty horrible as you didn't use the tripod.. It was pretty hard to see anything on the screen. Perhaps the 1.5 GB is better in this respect too as you can also read the text on the screen.


      And regarding the XML tools.. Lot of great stuff and I like to see the intellisense capabilities coming more and more to XML world.
    • RamblingGeek​UK
      Why not use a screen capturing utility when doing the videos and then have an interview video and a demo video, that way people who just want to watch them demo (assuming there is one) can and people who want to watch the interview and or demo can.....
    • androidi
      scobleizer wrote:
      Yeah, sorry.

      MBR is multiple bit rate video.

      The one here is probably a 1.5 gbps video. The ones that we usually put up here are 300kbps.



      You also uploaded another big video.

      kenlevy_2005_whidbey_beta2_xml_tools.wmv

      1534412

      msntv.wmv

      1266034



      edit: Scoble I kind of understand the trouble MS has spreading gigabyte sized videos. The trouble is cause Akamai uses the DNS to give people the source of the download. And if the first one you get is not the best, you are stuck with it cause Windows or even your router may cache it.

      I had to switch DNS servers from nslookup to get a hold of a fast akamai download mirror address. The default I was given was like 10 KB/s. Now with few minutes of work finding better source for the huge video  and I am getting it 400 KB/s.

    • androidi
      Kryptos wrote:
      Why not use a screen capturing utility when doing the videos and then have an interview video and a demo video, that way people who just want to watch them demo (assuming there is one) can and people who want to watch the interview and or demo can.....


      They do that for MSDNTV and you see how often there is MSDNTV demos. Maybe once a month. Of course they could spend time doing some kind of one click deploy that would install the capturing and send the captured stuff over network to scobles machine. But what about capturing audio in sync to the screen capture? You'd have to plug a proper quality mic to the computer. With front audio ports, perhaps, but I doubt everyone at MS has such case or laptop.

      And so on. Certainly possible but I guess it would require that Scoble had more time and more enthuasism towards optimal video/audio quality.

    • erik_
      Whoh, great stuff.

      I must say file size is a bit big, bug the video looks great fullscreen =) I can even read the onscreen letters good now, ghehe
    • Harlequin
      I'll be the first one to talk about the Xml features of VS2005, and not the video quality or how the tripod wasn't mounted properly SmileyTongue Out

      It was my littlest guy's 5th birthday party, so I only watched 75% of the video, but I was very impressed with the new Xml editors in VS2005. I can't wait for the Xml/Xsd intellisense. We have a special config file for our website framework here and the Xml file is growing with added features, so new sites would be difficult to set up for new users who don't know the rules for the Xml document. Having that Xsd intellisense would be great for that. I also liked the code-snippets as well. Good for small or large companies, I think VS2005 is going to be good for efficiency and streamlining code.

      I'm glad I didn't talk my company into XmlSpy licenses, they're quite pricey now anyways...
    • tsilb
      scobleizer wrote:
      Yeah, sorry.

      MBR is multiple bit rate video.

      The one here is probably a 1.5 gbps video. The ones that we usually put up here are 300kbps.


      You know, Divx 5.21 at 1MBps video and 320KBps MP3 audio would probably compress to around 150-200MB without sacraficing quality.
    • androidi
      Wow!! I just got around to actually looking at the 1.5 GB video.. Its da bomb! Now keep this quality and give it in H.264 for a bit smaller size and this site will truly be the video blog of one of a kind.

      Edit: I guess I should add that given better lighting and exposure this would beat the .NET Show Wink
    • Charles
      oops. yeah, wait for the compressed version...
    • KosherCoder
      Analise wrote:
      I'm downloading the wmv file and it says 1,46GB is this correct ?!


      This surely puts us onto our fourth DVD collection!
    • dotnetjunkie
      Charles wrote:
      oops. yeah, wait for the compressed version...

      You don't mind that I download this version? Wink  If only every video here on Channel9 could be of that quality... Smiley
    • The Channel 9 Team

      OK. The MBR compressed dowloadable file is now live.
      C

    • rasx
      Yes!
    • infinite_de​liberation
      (15:15) Code snippets for XML. Very nice.

      (24:00-27:00) XSLT Viewer and Debugger - yes, yes, yes!

      (27:00) Integrated XSLT and C# Debugging that allows switching between the two you guys are too much.

      (36:00) Custom XML designer architecture. That's a great idea. I would love to see you guys get that out there.

      All in all this stuff is pretty good. But when are you going to walk over to the BizTalk team and get their source code for the tree based schema editor. The current one is not fun to use and will be a sore spot for many developers when they see it hasn't really changed in three years.
    • technew
      This movie is moving so fast. It makes me dizzy. The content is good, presenter is ok. I'm working on XML and looking forward to VS 2005
    • irascian
      Harlequin wrote:

      I'm glad I didn't talk my company into XmlSpy licenses, they're quite pricey now anyways...


      Tell me about it! And to add insult to injury their new release schedule is very aggressive and usually involves an "upgrade" price that is almost as much as the full price.

      Nice to see some decent competition at long last.
    • PhrostByte
      So, why don't I see any pure XML project types?  I have an entire static-page website built with XSLT.  Using a C# project to house it seems a little like overkill.
    • gue
      Kryptos,
      I´ve been pushing for A LITTLE CONCEPT AND THOUGHT to be put into the videos for some weeks now and more and more people seem to push in the same direction.

      1) Cudos to Scoble: You can´t do pro videos as a one man show

      2) With A LITTLE BIT OF CONCEPT he could seperate talk (audio only / lo bitrate) from demos (300Kb videos are quite good)

      3) Keep the cam either on the speaker OR on the screen

      4) Offer seperated streams for d/l

      That´s coupla minutes more per video. Should be affordable timewise.
      Thanks
      G
    • gue
      THANKS, Ken,
      for reminding the community that there is a great MS product called Visual FoxPro and putting the box right behind the screen!!!

      Not enjoyed such a "shameless plug" for VFP in a long time! <grin>
      Thanks again
      G
    • scobleizer
      I'll work on the quality. Hopefully we can hire someone soon to help out so we can step things up a notch.

      But, you miss the whole point of Channel 9. It's to get you into places that you otherwise wouldn't be able to get into. If I did pro videos that would change Channel 9. The lack of professionalism also makes the videos far more believeable. Compare our videos to those that are done by "professional" crews. I like ours every day of the week.

      Plus, by keeping the workflow simple we can bang these out on a much more consistent schedule than others can do it.
    • wacko
      I would say that the last min type way that these things are done are good, just maybe cleaning it up a little in sence of quality and sound.... I mean I personally like them the way they are and I would like to see many many more of them, its sad we do not get to see more.... but I think all that needs to be cleaned up is the quality and sound.

      On top of that sometimes the last min thing can drag down the quality because people do not know what to say, but we always have charles to fill in the void of dead space LOL. I say keep up the good work and I hope you guys get someone fulltime(wink wink) to pump these films out because we need more.

      BTW what video apps do you guys use ? if any?
    • Nata1

      I'm not having any luck with the xslt editor in Beta II

      I've assigned the output document, input document, stylesheet, schema, everything and I still don't get intellisense.

      The only icons that are ever active on the tool bar are "format entire document" and "generate schema", the xslt debugger is dissabled.

      any ideas?

    • Michael Butler
      Looks very good. The new XML tools will make coding my MyXaml based projects quicker and easier. Can't wait for the final release of VS2005.
    • axelriet
      ...had to give up after about 12 minutes... constant left left/right panning and in/out zooming gave me nausea Perplexed This is exactly how /not/ to make a video.
    • scobleizer
      axelriet, I'll drink less coffee. Sorry about that.

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