MSN Virtual Earth Team - Virtual Earth Ships
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Channel 9 now has a sister 
This weekend we launched an all new community called 10 at http://on10.net
10 was built from the ground up using ASP.NET 2.0, SQL Server 2005 with a simple, easy to use design.
Our dream with 10 is to create a place for those people who want to use technology to change the world. Int his video Adam, Duncan, Erik and Jeff talk with Robert about how the site was built and the crazy weeks leading up to launching the site.
Since 10 was built by the same development team that builds this site, is their anything from the 10 experiene you'd like to see in Channel 9?
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The Discussion
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AdamKinney Nope, I bought it at the company store. Funny someone asked me the same question yesterday. -
Zeo 10 seems cool. Interesting to hear from the team that built it. Nice job guys. Hey Adam, I have that same Xbox shirt.....I got it at PDC, did you get yours there?
It's awesome to see the team using .NET 2.0. Probably the best thing about 10, so far.
The download drop down is oh so sexy!
The digg part is also super super cool!
I love the team's layed back attitude and part about Quicktime was great! -
Zeo Hey Jeff....you said that you would post C9 concepts on the wikis....I'd love to see those...I looked briefly but couldn't find them....where are they? -
Zeo Since 10 was built by the same development team that builds this site, is their anything from the 10 experiene you'd like to see in Channel 9?
I would love to see the comment while watching video feature brought over here on C9. That is a killer, killer, killer feature that made me get excited about 10. Maybe its just that I watch the videos relentlessly and keep a copy of word open while I watch but having that built into C9 would allow me to make my posting easier and I think it would allow more people to be invovled.
Lastly, any chace on both C9 and 10 you can talk to the Windows Live Mail group and integrate their spell check feature into the edit windows, having that while watching the videos would be dynamite! -
Mr. Smith Nice site. As an avid KEXP listener, I would totally reccomend you check out kexp.org as well
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HumanCompiler Zeo, I totally agree. Since the videos are a lot longer on C9, having the conversation along side the video would help even more. Don't you worry...C9 will get some 10 love.
As for spell checking. We have that feature, but it's currently disabled. Once we get the kinks worked out, you'll see it.
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pugsley0502 Looks great, nice clean and simple, good work!! only one question when you going to make a 10 guy to keep our 9 guys company
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erik_ Cool project, but getting an error when trying to register.
Line:321
Char:5
Error: 'null' is null or not an object.
Edit: The error is related to picking an user name which is already registered.
The register box is also jumping to the side, but that might have something to do with my display setup
http://www.beginsel.com/tmp/bug.jpg
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AdamKinney Interesting, thanks for the bug report. Have you been able to register yet? -
erik_ I am registered, but it was not giving a warning like 'this username is already in use' (it just gave the javascript error). Also for some reason I was also getting the error when trying to register as erik_, which is not an already existing user as far as I could see. But anyway I have a working account now =)
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jeffsand Zeo wrote:Hey Jeff....you said that you would post C9 concepts on the wikis....I'd love to see those...I looked briefly but couldn't find them....where are they?
If you visit this page on the wiki you can find some of our concepts that didn't see the light of day.
-Jeff -
dentaku Hmm. For anyone who doesn't recognise them, Tina and Laura both used to be on G4, the network that killed TechTV (along with Comcast).
I like the site so far. -
Minh Registration in FireFox is a bit off.
Initial video image is missing, too.
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LaBomba Nice design, good talent working on 10.
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Maurits -
LaBomba Maurits wrote:
Movie '10' Tagline: A temptingly tasteful comedy for adults who can count.
Website '10' Tagline: A temptingly interesting website for users who browse with IE and not firefox. -
AdamKinney Maurits wrote:
Send me an email with your comments if you want. -
AdamKinney LaBomba wrote:
Maurits wrote: 10
The UI is very pretty. I have some usability problems with it though.
Movie '10' Tagline: A temptingly tasteful comedy for adults who can count.
Website '10' Tagline: A temptingly interesting website for users who browse with IE and not firefox.
Actually it does work with Firefox. The SignIn window is a bug I have on my list as well provifing a better loading experience for Quicktime. The issue is that the MP4s do not stream in lik the WMVs do. -
iStation Ho, ho! from 11.
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AdamKinney Yes, I'd like to add meda choice as a setting in the future. We'll hit up channel9 with some code updates soon
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leighsword I have a Microsoft Passport, why I cannot use it on the another Microsoft website? whatever, I hate the register.
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intelman I would rather Windows Media Player be my default in Firefox, is there a way to do that?
I like the way user signup is nice, username password email, nice short and simple. The site overall is very nice! If only channel9 looked as clean, and supported embeded videos with firefox.
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intelman The quicktime is stupid, and it waits to download the whole video before you can view it, why can't it just stream and buffer!!!
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SlackmasterK jeffsand wrote:
is their anything from the 10 experience you'd like to see in Channel 9?
Anal correction: Their = there.
Reply during playback. Personally I wouldn't use it since I download and save all the videos anyway, but it'd be a cool feature for those of us who are terabyte-impaired.
As for the registration bug and the initial video image missing bug, I'm glad to report neither of these. Registration was a breeze and I see the video image fine. I also didn't have to download the whole thing before viewing (though I downloaded it later anyway). Then again I'm using IE6.
I'd also like to see 10 support the Passport login. -
BruceLee 10 is pretty cool! But when can we see the code?
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Maurits AdamKinney wrote:Send me an email with your comments if you want.
Already sent in my biggest issue, via the "Contact Us" tool on 10. -
CannotResolveSymbol Pretty cool! Only real complaints are the username length limit and the long time it takes for the movie to start (but everyone's already mentioned that, including myself)... otherwise it's pretty nice.
I think this might be the only place I'll ever see quicktime coming from download.microsoft.com. Ironic.
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staceyw Pretty nice folks. I found myself wanting a scroll bar in the comments section instead of Back/Next buttons. Is there a reason WMP control could not be used in firefox or mac browsers? I don't mind, just curious. Does MS need a new vid control if this is a general issue? -
Maurits Non-IE browsers use a different plugin model... no ActiveX CLSIDs, everything's assigned by MIME Type.
No reason there couldn't be a Windows Media Player plugin. -
staceyw What was the ASP virtual dir thing about again? Can someone expand on that.
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SlackmasterK Already added my comments there, but I'm more than glad to mirror them here...
On on10, I wrote:
Hey guys, beautiful site and some great ideas. A few ideas of my own though... I'd like to be able to select a specific page # on the thread list like on C9. Also, I'd like to be able to click a topic and drag it onto another IE window (I like multiple windows). Also, I'm not seeing an easy way to navigate the video archive (I'm sure you'll do this as you get more videos), or user profiles. -
LaBomba AdamKinney wrote:LaBomba wrote: Maurits wrote: 10
The UI is very pretty. I have some usability problems with it though.
Movie '10' Tagline: A temptingly tasteful comedy for adults who can count.
Website '10' Tagline: A temptingly interesting website for users who browse with IE and not firefox.
Actually it does work with Firefox. The SignIn window is a bug I have on my list as well provifing a better loading experience for Quicktime. The issue is that the MP4s do not stream in lik the WMVs do.
Issues with firefox...
You can be faster than the Live folks, i know you can do it.
Go Team10! -
sloppycode "10 is a place for people who want to use technology to change the world. "
can we be a bit more specific? -
littleguru I'm watching the video about 10 right now and something came to my mind: why is the video player on the left side (on the 10 site) not scrolling down, when I expand the replies on the right side and scroll down?
It's often that you expand a few of the replies and you need to scroll down to see some of the answers. Currently the video player stays in at his position and while you scroll down it goes out of the visible part of the window.
The video player should follow you while scrolling down. That would be a cool features and would be very useful.
I think you should add that feature to the site! -
HumanCompiler BruceLee wrote:10 is pretty cool! But when can we see the code?
What code do you want to see exactly? Would you like another video that's more in depth? Just a snippet in the forum? What? Tell us and we'll see what we can do. This has been our baby for the last month so of course we'd like to share.
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AdamKinney LaBomba wrote:
Issues with firefox...
You can be faster than the Live folks, i know you can do it.
Go Team10!
Thanks for the faith I just uploaded the fix for the pop up message position.
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JoeCool "What was the ASP virtual dir thing about again? Can someone expand on that."
Yes,Erik, Adam, Duncan...someone talk about this more!!!
1. What was it like to develop with this model?
A. Is debuggin crazy? or Just like normal
B. What does it look like in the IDE?
C. Could this elegently solve the old issues of displaying images that are stroed in the DB?
2. How does this effect preformance?
A. Lots 'oh hits to the DB on every page?
1. Probly not, im sure there is some caching involved
Better yet, lets get a video of a "Hello World" sample.
Thanks guys, and great job
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digitalrao Channel 9 rocks ....new developer here. I tried out 10 and wasnt getting notification from 10 in my Windows Live Mail beta..
is something screwed up with the sever?Looks Good more Content Please -
JoeCool Duncan,
Thanks for the response! Of course Erik might not appreciate it. Now im going to have to call him up and give him the third degree, this stuff just sounds so cool.
Thanks again
Joe -
schrepfler I'd have a question, when a user wants to log on he's presented with this cool looking form where everithing behind is darkened. Now, I thought that if a form is presented on a non-https connection an attack is possible because the possible attacker could change the form action target? Am I wrong on this?
Second question, why not use also Passport with it (like channel9)?
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x.static Perhaps I'm just hearing things, but I'm pretty sure Scoble used a 4 letter word at ~21:01.
Great video, and I can't wait to see some of the code behind this.
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Duncanma Joe Cool... So many questions....
Developing isn't really all that different, once you have it created... assuming you develop in a control-based model. Both here at C9/10 and on MSDN2 (my previous project) we wrote everything as controls, we never put any code into pages.
So, you want to create a profile editing page, you create a ProfileEdit control and stick that in a .aspx file in the project until you've figured out how (what URL pattern, etc..) you want to fit it into the larger site. Once you move it into the VPP, you can still develop and debug like normal.
In the IDE it looks just like normal, you are just making controls. You have master pages, but no aspx pages...
As far as images, it completely can handle this problem... although working out the caching settings to ensure that images are correctly cached at all the levels (proxy, browser, server) does take some thought. MSDN 2 serves all of its inline images out of a SQL 2005 db, but at the moment on 10 we put the images onto a NAS. We've thought about moving them up into the DB, at least for user-uploaded images like the avatars, but it is a low-pri task at the moment because the file system based storage isn't causing us any problems.
Finally, perf... it isn't a perf issue at all. The controls are in dlls, just like a normal asp.net application, it is just the real data that is coming from the db... and that would be exactly the same in a normal non-VPP app. I will say though that result of this style of development is that every request goes through your code... every request. So, bad code in the VPP area and in the core HTTP module could destroy your perf.
Update: if you want more info on VPP, check out this post by Mark D'Urso (dev lead on MSDN2): http://blogs.msdn.com/mdurso/archive/2006/02/06/525941.aspx
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mrichman Any way to get the code for on10? I'd love to see how this stuff was done...Community Server is horrible to extend. -
kamii47 As Far As I know it is based on atlas toolkit.
I want's to ask is there atlas update panel is also used.
I know atlas enable site not work on opera.
But this site is working on opera(I am using opera 9 beta).
Could anybodyexplain.
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kamii47 Failed on Opera
Signup registeration is not working
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nizarcbd Amazing yaar..............
I like your work...........I m sure that asp.net is the future of the web...................
Im new to this community................
