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We visit the worldwide headquarters for Channel 9 (otherwise known as Jeff's office) to talk about the Channel 9 redesign. You meet the geeks behind the technology that brings you Channel 9 (new team member Adam Kinney and Charles Torre).

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    Zolk
    Nice work! Big Smile
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    billh
    Well that explains why this site went down for a while...I was beginning to think it was some kind of an attack and Charles would get called away from yet another outing with a friend.

    Expressionless

    Wow...new design...how temporarilly...um...disorientating...even for longtime niners...Expressionless
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    Keyvan Nayyeri

    Wooooooow!

    Just 5 minutes difference beetween my views!

    Now it's refreshed and ...

    Good job Wink

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    iStation

    A lot of "Bravos!"

    Big Smile

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    BruceLee
    to me, the new interface is cooler and slower.Big Smile
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    amotif
    Hmm... no C9Park tag? Seems like a major oversight... Tongue Out
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    jeffsand
    amotif wrote:
    Hmm... no C9Park tag? Seems like a major oversight...


    Ooh Good one!

    Now that we have a photo library would you all mind if we created place for you to submit C9Parks?

    -Jeff
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    Sanrez

    Got a suprise when I logged in to the site.

    The redesign is great.  Big Smile

    One thing though.  Could the posting of the videos have the date and time on them instead of just the date? 

    Thanks for a great site and resource.


    Keith

     

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    Loadsgood
    jeffsand wrote:
    amotif wrote: Hmm... no C9Park tag? Seems like a major oversight...


    Ooh Good one!

    Now that we have a photo library would you all mind if we created place for you to submit C9Parks?

    -Jeff


    Wouldn't mind? I'd love it! Jamie is going to have to make heaps more (and so will Minh Smiley)



    Hmmmm... C9's redesign *drools* Big Smile
    Loadsgood.
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    Larsenal
    Yes. Quite cool.
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    rjdohnert
    Looks great guys, Very nice job.
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    dotnetjunkie
    jeffsand wrote:


    Ooh Good one!

    Now that we have a photo library would you all mind if we created place for you to submit C9Parks?

    -Jeff

    That sounds like a good idea to me! Smiley

    Tags is still empty in the photo library now, so you can put it to good use with things like that!
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    junior882
    As everyone's said, cool redesign. One question, is it built on ASP.NET 2.0 or 1.1? I'd be interested to know.
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    AdamKinney
    Thanks for the comments. Smiley

    And to answer your question, we're currently still running ASP.Net 1.1 for production.
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    maxharris
    Wow! This is nice.
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    Tensor

    Change!

     

    First reaction... confusion... repulsion.. FEAR!

     

    Must fight... must embrace change....

     

     

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    Analise
    Well done, guys!
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    eddwo
    Hmm, very different. :O
    Not sure I'm gonna get used to this.

    Guess I'll have to try. Perplexed
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    Charles
    This view will be changing:

    Not sure why the message that I'm replying to is located on the bottom of the edit page.

    I want an option to see big avatars per post.

    We've got some perf work to do.

    C
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    TomasDeml
    I love new design...it's so neat. Great!

    Smiley

    BTW Why is there the Login label when I'm already logged in? It's a bit confusing...

    BTW2 I want larger avatars Smiley

    BTW3 Where is my new avatar? I can see the old one only...

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    Pimp Daddy
    Exactly how many computers does Jeff have in his office? There's hardly any room for anything else! Big Smile

    I really like the new design. It seems much slicker than before and it doesn't have that annoying rendering problem in Firefox anymore.

    I like the use of tags too.
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    UlsterFry
    Great work guys.. .love the new layout/graphics and scripting.. ...and it works in FF  Big Smile
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    BenZila
    When I play a video and then try to play another video while the original video is still playing, it will over lay the old video that's still playing and play the new video underneath. So I get 2 video streams Smiley
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    MisterDonut
    Nice work, guys! Smiley
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    CRPietschma​nn
    Lookin' really nice! I only have one thing to complain about; The Passport Sign Out image button messes up the flow of the navigation menu a little.

    Is the new site running on ASP.NET 2.0?

    Could you guys let us see/have the source code for the user controls that you use on the main page to allow switching through videos without reloading the page?
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    DuNuNuBatman
    I like the update, it looks nice...
    Does this mean the "watch this thread" button will work now?
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    jlowgren
    Nice design, although I feel there's less personality behind the posters on the forum now with the small avatars. Or maybe I just haven't looked around enough to find how to change that.

    Nevermind!
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    Captain​Corelli

    Sweet! Now, nothing can stop me from trolli..., I mean, posting and replying on c9... uhm, except work that is.

    Good work Charles and co.!

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    Larry​Osterman

    In general, I think I like the design.  It's annoying that I don't have quick access to the forums any more (hover and click is slower than just click).

    Also, it'd be nice if I could take advantage of the real estate to the left and right of the forums - the text area seems too narrow for my taste.

     

    And, of course, theming would be nice Smiley

     

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    Iain Norman
    Woo Georgia Smiley One of my faves.
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    XiXora
    This is AWESOME!!!

    I cant believe i actually said "awesome". lol.
    I'm very impressed with the new look as I hated the old design ( i'm sorry.

    One thing I still don't like though ( I'm anal about standards sorry Tongue Out ), is the HTML used.
    It isnt semantic by the looks of it, and it doesn't even have a doctype.

    Maybe fixed in the future?

    Lets hope so Smiley

    P.S revamed input too? Big Smile
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    staceyw
    Nice work Charles and the gang.  Thanks!
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    fdezjose
    Cool !!! Nine work !!!Cool
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    Mackz
    Wow! Nice work! Cool
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    ShahnHogan
    Best part is no horizontal scrolling on a Tablet in Portrait mode!
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    BIGZIPZ
    Looks very good! watching the Bill Hill videos again hehe.
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    littleguru
    Great! I like the new design! Big Smile

    *THUMBS UP* for you guys!!!
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    jmacdonagh
    I'm loving it! Tags are awesome.
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    waltal
    Dang!  I was just figuring out how to get around the "old" site!

    You're in a maze of twisty tunnels...

    Seriously, great job!

    Neat new C9 guy smileys...Expressionless
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    crispybit
    Nice work guys, im feelin the new layout, perfecto on the scrolling member bar on the top. over all much much much purdyerrrrr. Smiley
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    RamblingGeek​UK
    Hi guys, really like the new design. What's happened to inking?

    Can I susgest that you have a posting day for videos, say two every Thursday.... then we all know when to expect new views. Smiley

    Great work....
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    KenIII
    Looks great, a lot easier to find stuff, keep up the good work.
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    Pronob

    I was met with a surprise when i logged in. It is certainly a welcome change. Looks pretty neat

    Tags and video search is awesome

    Good Job!!Smiley

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    androidi
    When I go to techoff forum, the menu hover just flashes in IE.

    edit: Oops there was a topic on this at coffeehouse.
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    KosherCoder
    Just to let everyone know:  This is the 499th video on Channel 9!
    The next one is the big five-oh-oh.

    This is counting the 15 non-downloadable ones. The Videos forum shows 521 threads, but before the new site version, there were 480 downloadable vids, 15 non-downloadable ones, and today there are 4 new ones. I can't account for the discrepency, but I've been keeping track since almost the beginning.

    Big Smile
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    mixelz
    I love the new design Smiley! It's refreshing Tongue Out, so great work adam and charles (and the rest!).

    Love the way I can find videos now! That was a big issue for me on the old site, I could only find the old videos by searching for quite some time and browsing through alot of pages, so tagging is perfect[H].
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    amazzitelli
    Wow.......excellent work man´s!!!!!

    Congratulations for all Channel 9 team!
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    javamdk

    Wow! Excellent work guys... I love the whole new design, I know you guys spent a lot of time on this, so props for ya'll @ Microsoft.

    -Jr Wink

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    joeclark
    Sure, it's a new design-- using tables for layout and with <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//channel9.msdn.com/">120 validation errors</a>. Microsoft does Web standards? As usual, Microsoft does <em>not</em>.

    I also loved the fact that I had to load and reload the article page four times just to be able to set up an account, log in, and write this comment.
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    AdamKinney
    Thanks for checking joeclark.  With this last redesign we did make a step in the right direction.  I'm sure if you ran that test a week ago you would have found a few more errors.

    Due to the comments about channel9 and its html validity, I'm inspired to write up a longer reply (most likely to show up on my blog).

    Thanks for coming by and checking out channel9 Smiley
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    wacko
    awww yes, the anti-microsoft type, we love your kind here. We are glad that you have taken time out of your busy day to admire the works that good people have put a lot of time into. They still got you to sign up, so can you dislike them that much Big Smile:D:D:D:D:D:D

    I mean honest to god who the heck cares... The channel 9 redesign kicks A$$ and I hope the good work keeps on coming, great work guys.
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    eddwo
    The new design is growing on me.
    Lots of neat widgets. Seems quicker too.
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    Olirockerdu​de
    Very snazzy new design!
    Congratulations Tongue Out
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    lferre
    Fantastic design guys, it looks way more practical than before! I love the readme.txt Wink
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    sven_kraemer

    first i could not believe what i see but then a few moments later i thougt only "WOW very nice" so
    Congratulations, very nice new desing!

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    Another Martin
    wacko wrote:
    awww yes, the anti-microsoft type, we love your kind here. We are glad that you have taken time out of your busy day to admire the works that good people have put a lot of time into. They still got you to sign up, so can you dislike them that much

    I mean honest to god who the heck cares...


    I do, the man is right. There is little more annoying than things that are bad for no good reason. If the pages are not compliant its a good thing that at least someone is paying attention and points it out. It is bad advertising if anything, to put up a "new and improved" site targerted at a technical audience, that does not comply to the basic standards.

    As for functionality, I do not notice that big a difference. Let's call it "a promising start" and hope that Mr. Kinney will do a better job than he did at Xamlon which was one of the most disappointing and annoying pieces of software I ever tried.

    They are going to prove everyone wrong you see, in a week this site will be fully XHTML compliant and even the most suspicious developers will love it. As a developer's forum, it is going to be exemplary. Right?
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    NeoTOM
    1. We need a way to see full avatars (maybe a roll-over expand bar thing?)
    2. The nine guy should be seen in full. Having part of him shown makes no sense (OMFG THAT GUYZ HAS A HOLE IN HIS CEHST)
    3. I miss the old picture of the nine guy... this guy looks unstable. o_.
    4. Integrate flags into the interface maybe? (Don't forget to allow custom ones Wink)
    5. A "View with old design" for curmudgeons
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    AdamKinney
    Well a week is a bit optimistic, one of the first difficulties that pops in my head is that we allow users to enter their content in html, so its possible they could enter invalid html.  And there's more, I need to finish my more thorough reply.

    And all I'll say about Xamlon is that it was an ambitious for the few of us who were there in the beginning.  Xamlon is a growing company now and I would expect to see some very interesting products coming from them.
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    AdamKinney
    NeoTOM wrote:
    1. We need a way to see full avatars (maybe a roll-over expand bar thing?)


    You can go into your profile and turn on "Show large avatars"

    NeoTOM wrote:
    1. The nine guy should be seen in full. Having part of him shown makes no sense (OMFG THAT GUYZ HAS A HOLE IN HIS CEHST)
    2. I miss the old picture of the nine guy... this guy looks unstable. o_.



    interesting thoughts Smiley

    NeoTOM wrote:

    1. Integrate flags into the interface maybe? (Don't forget to allow custom ones )


    that's another idea, I'll add that to the list.

    NeoTOM wrote:
     
    1.  "View with old design" for curmudgeons


    W3bbo has implemented a somewhat solution for you there.

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    NeoTOM
    AdamKinney wrote:
    NeoTOM wrote:
    1. We need a way to see full avatars (maybe a roll-over expand bar thing?)


    You can go into your profile and turn on "Show large avatars"

    NeoTOM wrote:
    1. The nine guy should be seen in full. Having part of him shown makes no sense (OMFG THAT GUYZ HAS A HOLE IN HIS CEHST)
    2. I miss the old picture of the nine guy... this guy looks unstable. o_.



    interesting thoughts

    NeoTOM wrote:

    1. Integrate flags into the interface maybe? (Don't forget to allow custom ones )


    that's another idea, I'll add that to the list.

    NeoTOM wrote:  
    1.  "View with old design" for curmudgeons


    W3bbo has implemented a somewhat solution for you there.



    Note that turning large avs on makes it look pretty much like the old site. And I noticed a "Themes" subdirectory... Perhaps c9.ca type themes soon?

    And I meant like a way to expand avatars in the bar on a hover, then minimize again.
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    Another Martin
    AdamKinney wrote:
    Well a week is a bit optimistic, one of the first difficulties that pops in my head is that we allow users to enter their content in html, so its possible they could enter invalid html.
    Okay, I was being too agressive with the week. It doesn't seem much of a problem though to have content that is submitted by users validated before it is inserted.
    AdamKinney wrote:

    And there's more, I need to finish my more thorough reply.
    That should be interesting to readers who are working on standard compliant web sites as well.

    By the way, I watch most of the videos and I appreciate the content. In addition to improvement of the rough video-editing I complained about earlier I would like to see a posibility to step into a video at "milestones". I imagine a couple of links with every video like "[start of demo]", "[entering Joe's office]", "[talking about standard compliancy]'' so that you can easily get back to the interesting bits or the bits you didn't understand the first time. I'm not sure if this is technically possible at all with the way the videos are currently presented, just a thought.

    Regards, Martin.
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    AdamKinney
    NeoTom: I understand what you meant now.  I like the idea of rolling over the mini avatars and showing a larger avatar image.  Actually there was something like that in one the concepts.

    Another Martin:  I agree it would be nice to provide away to outline the videos and provides ways to skip ahead, or possibly provide shorts of the longer video.  This is something that we are experimenting with, hopefully we can figure something doable soon.

    Illern: Thanks!
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    wacko
    Another Martin wrote:

    I do, the man is right. There is little more annoying than things that are bad for no good reason. If the pages are not compliant its a good thing that at least someone is paying attention and points it out. It is bad advertising if anything, to put up a "new and improved" site targerted at a technical audience, that does not comply to the basic standards.

    As for functionality, I do not notice that big a difference. Let's call it "a promising start" and hope that Mr. Kinney will do a better job than he did at Xamlon which was one of the most disappointing and annoying pieces of software I ever tried.

    They are going to prove everyone wrong you see, in a week this site will be fully XHTML compliant and even the most suspicious developers will love it. As a developer's forum, it is going to be exemplary. Right?


    You know what gets me is this idea that everyone is perfect... I mean I do not recall Adam saying at any time that this site was going to be 100% compliant. The thing that gets even more, about those who wish to hate is that they expect everything to be perfect.

    On top of that, the level expectation you create in my opinion is just out of reach, these people are expected in a logical amount of time to re-design a website that has thousands of users every day coming in and out while continuing to maintain what is already there. The reality is that issues will arise and things will fall through the cracks to meet the deadlines of the users. I mean we see it, beyond the scope a compliant website, yet the first thing people such as yourself complain about is the lack of that feature or that compliance and totally forget that the reason the product exsist or the site is even done at all, is for users like you and me.

    So sure things will slip through the cracks and sure things will go on the chopping block for the next version but, I think you must admire the fact that atleast they listen and are willing to admit fault even though complainers such as yourself have nothing better to do then look at the faults of something that truely is good.
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    NeoTOM
    Watched the video. I believe that's the first time I ever saw Adam as more than 9 Guy Man Guy.
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    JoshDavey
    About time! It looks awesome. One of the slicker looking sites on the net.
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    moofish
    I like the new design but miss the big pics that we had before of ourselves, avatars I think.

    The effect that swoops the video clicked into the main video window was very similar to the flash presentation of the new Hotmail (the one we have now, not the new one comming). In the 'whats to come' presentation it showed emails when sent to the bin or another folder swipe into the folder/bin instead of the page disapearing and refreshing for a couple of seconds.

    I would hope that the new Hotmail design uses the effect C9 has so what was shown in the flash presentation first time round, for illustrative purposes, actually will work with the new Hotmail.

    I feel Hotmail it needs a more swish features like that.

    Please could whom ever coded the swopping effect on C9 show the Hotmail team, and remind them that the flash presentation before Hotmail was changed was very deceptive.


    I have just redesigned my new logo to have a grey outline, gif transparencies who up in blue and there is a default border outline round the images so it doesn't look seamless. I made my avatar 160x120 but when I upload it not only does C9 auto resize it, it degrades the quality.

    This might be okay if uploading a bmp but it’s a jpeg already, and how come only the C9 logo is allowed to be a PNG, I have a nice icon which does not show up well when fuzzy, its meant to be crisp.

    Can't I even host a png on a server, if its space your worried about.


    Samuel, UK
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    WillemM

    First of all, cool design.

    There's one thing I would like to point out: What's with the + in the titles of some tags and postings? Shouldn't this be a space ?

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    Another Martin
    wacko wrote:
    I think you must admire the fact that atleast they listen and are willing to admit fault even though complainers such as yourself have nothing better to do then look at the faults of something that truely is good.
    I do not so much admire but certainly appreciate the interactive nature of Microsoft's promotional efforts. I also assume they will appreciate my feedback not any less than the "good job!" and "I love it!" types of comment. If it wasn't for critisism, little would get better.

    Complainers such as myself find themselves defending Microsoft products and explaining why things are the way they are to people who just heard a thing or two and convinced themselves that everyone at Microsoft is both evil and stupid. Any Microsoft site advertising Microsoft technologies should not give them any reason to believe that what they heard is true and I am just helping to achieve that.

    I don't care if anyone claimed to do anything right or not, doing anything wrong on a technical level is simply emberrassing for a technology promoting site. "Microsoft kills standards" is the first and most important argument I get from people who are not into Microsoft tools and technologies. I want to be able to say "There used to be some issues with old standards and compatibility but Microsoft is now leading using and implementing the new standards. Have a look at that Channel9 site and see for yourself!"

    That's not complaining, that's motivating [A].

    Martin.
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    AdamKinney

    Willem: We followed the existing tagging style of other already implemented sites like Technorati, Flickr and del.icio.us.  The "+" is used in place of a space or encoded as "%20".  My guess its more dependable and easier for parsing to use a specified character for seperating words.  I suppose we don't need to display them that way though...

    Martin:  I agree, its motivating.

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    drylight
    Hi guys,

    I like the new look to the site. But why are the videos so chunky?

    I download 70meg files for a video where it's like looking through a door's grease smeared peep hole. I have to increase the video's size until I end up with a pixelated image which makes the people look like they're made of Lego blocks. This is 2005, come on, release better quality videos.

    Why not also include QuickTime H.264 codec video files for download? I know it's from Apple, but it's a better codec. You'll end up with smaller files which are beter quality. Windows Media just doesn't cut it.

    Diego.

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    scobleizer

    Diego: our videos are 500kbps videos (if you download them). I'm experimenting with a better encoder, though. We'll see.

    Even Microsoft has limits to file sizes that we can put up with distributing.

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    drylight
    Scoble: 500kbps? Hmm I may have spoken too soon. If my memory serves me, I was only getting 47kbps (for a downloaded file). I will double check and retract my rant if the problem is on my end. Never afraid to admit being wrong. Smiley
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    drylight
    Scoble: And if you thought I was your usual flame baiter. No. MS does some cool stuff too. It's not all bad. Smiley VS.NET 2005 is an awesome dev. tool!

    I used to be a Borland developer through and through. But they've lost the race and I've left their dev. tools.

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    staceyw
    The videos are fine here.  Some times on my system, they do flip upside-down and turn green, but that seems to be only when my connection is slow.  When comm is good - vids are almost perfect.
    --
    wjs
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    progfg
    Wow the design is very imposing !! Good job Wink
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    fdezjose
    Lodos groaron atables PC: Estofen dB
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    priapo
    It also looks great in a CRT monitor Tongue Out

    Clean, intuitive and fast loading, what else can we ask for? A tablet pc, of course Wink

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    CumpsD
    Hey Adam, I'm user 234 Wink
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    jsampsonPC
    I thought it would be funny to bump this thread...so here we go!

    Thread.Bump();

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