David Treadwell - Chatting with one of DevDiv's Vice Presidents

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We're hours away from releasing to manufacture (our way of saying "ship it to the customers") Visual Studio 2005. This is a big deal for the developer division. There are tons of people who've worked for years on this series of products. The launch event is November 7.

To get ready for RTM, we wanted to sit down with one of the guys who runs the team and talk about what it took to get here. Hope you enjoy this little chat with one of the top managers at Microsoft where you get to learn a little more about some of the challenges of building the tools that much of the world's software is built on.

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      Shiv
      still watching but i have a doubt any of u guys know might reply

               .net 2.0 will be released only in november 7 right ? then wht version are the people at microsoft are using to develop avalon,win fs and all other new stuff that r in the pipeline
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      scobleizer

      There isn't any one answer. Sparkle, for instance, is built using itself as well as Visual Studio 2005. I'd expect that most of the other tools will just be recompiled with the final version of Visual Studio 2005.

      They are already working on future versions of Visual Studio. The next one is code-named Orcas and the version after Orcas is code-named Hawaii.

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      Larry​Osterman
      COOL!! Tredders gets the C9 treatment!  Congrats!
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      androidi

      Hours away? Sounds great!

      Albeit it is a bit weird that if you look at this

      http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f832b85f-b710-49ed-92a1-b80b948aeb65&DisplayLang=en

      It seems MS just released Microsoft .NET Framework Version 2.0 Redistributable Package Release Candidate like yesterday or so. (10/14/2005). (I know it has been around since PDC, wonder why the download is dated is yesterday)

      If RTM is really hours away, why release RC literally hours (less than 100 hours?) before. Customers have requested for it?

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      staceyw

      Good video Robert Smiley  Nice and relaxed and good info.

      Interested in the DMV thing you mentioned.  Any links on the problems with that project.  Was this the deal where they did not pick MS, but some ~Open *nix thing?  TIA

      --wjs

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      scobleizer
      staceyw wrote:

      Good video Robert Smiley  Nice and relaxed and good info.

      Interested in the DMV thing you mentioned.  Any links on the problems with that project.  Was this the deal where they did not pick MS, but some ~Open *nix thing?  TIA

      --wjs



      I think it was this one that I remembered: http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=13638
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      nektar

      As you said ASP.NET works only on Microsoft products. Why is that? I mean I know that porting the framework to other oses might not be desirable or monetarily fisible, however what about the webserver part. Why can't Microsoft provide a free module, like it does for IIS, that will allow Apatche running on Windows to access ASP.NET? Don't you think that this will make ASP.NET even more appealing and accessible?
      Thanks for the interview anyway.

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      staceyw
      "I think it was this one that I remembered: http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=13638"

      O my, that seems foobar.  Sounds like they need an IBM or EDS with some big iron and not the guy down the street.  This seems like a common issue shared among 50 states, you would think a company could leverage a working solution across many.
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      nektar
      I want to aks to what extend is Visual Studio used inside Microsoft. Is the Windows team using it to write Windows? The Office team, Channel9 is written in ASP.NET in Visual Studio?
      Generally, how do developers work atMicrosoft. Do they write their code in the VS editor? Do they design their Win32 guis in Visual Studio using MFC? Where do they design their WinForms apps in Visual Studio? Do they edit and format their code in the VS editor or do they use another text editor like Notepad? And if so why not VS?
      How are the various programs built? I do not think that they are built using Visual Studio. Are make files used to built Windows or what? How do developers check in code using VS or not?
      How do you debug your code and how do you prophile it. Do you use the VS debugger? Whic prophiler do you use to test Windows or Office? If Windows or Office are built using make file how can developers use the full debugging cababilities of VS? Why are projects or solutions not used and how do you expect you customers to use them for large projects?
      And so on and so on. If as he said, Windows is the largest software project in the history of mankind, then please share your experiences and the processes developing it. Write a book perhaps: The largest software project in the history of mankind.
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      DawnMan
      Very good interview and - as others have already said - very relaxed which makes for enjoyable viewing.

      The less the interviewee is trying to show off how smart or clever he or she is, the more enjoyable the interview is for everybody and the more clever we actually think he or she is! 
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      john.d.​murphy
      You mentioned that this was the biggest software project ever, but I wonder if it was bigger then IBM's project back in the late 60s, early 70s for the Air Traffic Control system.  According to one source I read, they had 500+ programmers at one time working on this, on mainframes, using languages like BAL and JOVIAL. 

      Is it bigger than that?
      Big Smile
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      scobleizer
      Nektar: that's a hard question to answer. Every developer gets to choose his/her own tools. Some teams use VS, others use other text editors. The problem is in 1.5 years of walking around Microsoft with a camcorder I've only met maybe 1,000 people and I wasn't looking at what tools they used so anything I said would probably be incorrect.
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      scobleizer
      John, Windows Vista has significantly more people than 500 working on it.

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