Paul Yuknewicz - Working with VB Community

What a fascinating discussion. I personally have been following Monad from the very beginning and have found it to be quite an awsome technology. The only thing I would have to ask is "when will I get IntelliSense on the command line?" I have been so spoiled using IntelliSense and some other utilities like VisualAssist when programming that I just feel empty when I am without tools like that.
staceyw wrote:"Hmm...the video is upside down and all green when it streams at 111kbps."
Dude, I get that all the time. About 50%. Was starting to think I was the only one.
I’m was surprised to hear that Monad has generated so much interest, yet at the same time the attention is so germane. As far as I know the semantics of the command line haven’t changed much since Doug McIlroy came up with the pipe, yet I know of no gifted
programmer or admin who doesn’t appreciate the command line. MSH is one of the most exciting technologies to emerge over the last year and it’s one of only two Microsoft betas I’ve ever downloaded and used. I don’t hear people ranting about it on too many
forums so I assume it’s kind of a silent (serious) majority thing. I think it's going to be a wonderful surprise for so many IT pros out there.
Ace work Jeffery!
In this video, and one of his previous ones, Jeffery talks about economics, he also mentions Jim Hugunin’s Iron Python project (the other beta I’ve downloaded and used). Now, Jim’s work is open source, open source is a hot topic a lot of figures comment on,
and open source has an interesting economic aspect that people debate (and companies like Apple and Google use to great commercial advantage). I’d love to hear Jeffrey’s views on open source; I believe he’d have something interesting to say.
Go on Scoble, can you ask when you go back to do the team tour? Please?
Does everyone else love these interviews with people like Ward C. and Jeffery as much as I do? I love it when the interviewee is happy to go off on interesting tangents.
Balclutha wrote:Go on Scoble, can you ask when you go back to do the team tour? Please?
Scoble I agree this is one of the better videos because you feel the passion the developer has for his work. I didn't know what this C9 video was about really, and I had an hour to kill in between classes, you know what I enjoyed every minute of this video.
I didn't take advanced programming classes but i understood many of the concepts he was talking about and from what i understood he is trying to built a scripting engine that can interact not just with the data that a program outputs but with the actual objects
and coms associated with it to make it a more powerful solution.
this guy was just relentless and kept an upbeat pace for the entire 53 minutes. i was shocked when the video was over and realized it was 53 minutes long. At the end you asked him to do a follow-up interview with him and the team showing off a few demos.
I understand, theoretically, how powerful this new shell is. But i need to see a demo of it to see exactly what it is capable of.
This video along with Amar Ghandi, the RSS Enthusiast, are thus far my favorite developer style interviews. Some vids it was obvious that they felt their job was just that, a chore to bring home some meat and cheese for their kids and wives. Other videos such
as this one, you really get to see people passionate about their work. It is uplifting knowing that people enjoy what they do.
I keep on saying to myself, and everyone, I am not looking to vista as revolutionary, but merely as a stepping stone to the OS that is to follow. That one, whatever code name (black comb i think) will be when we start seeing the nice, matured, things.
efortier wrote:One thing that I find surprising is that the issue of security has never been raised yet.
However what left me shocked with this video is how much weight did Snover loose
I should do some workout myself I think...
Its amazing what a couple hundred hours in the gym will do for you.
jps
Here is a pointer to the Marc van Orsouw's (aka /\/\o\/\/ ) blog. He is the guy I mentioned in the Video. He is doing some very noteworthy stuff with Monad.
http://mow001.blogspot.com/
jps
Naikrovek wrote:" (and companies like Apple and Google use to great commercial advantage). "
Is Apple's OS open source? How about Google?
Why do you ask when you already know the answer? Oh yeah, to be condescending, that's why.
I believe he was saying that Apple's OS is built on an open source OS (with a proprietary kernel), and that Google is using tens of thousands of Linux machines without a single penny paid to any vendor thanks to open source.
Sounds like commercial advantage to me.
Exactly! Achieving leverage through components (as discussed in the video) gives one kind of advantage. Reusing software written by others is another. For example, Apple builds on CUPS and Samba, and benefits from improvements made by those who might never own an Apple machine, let alone work for Apple. Some might argue that the balance of power in the software industry is such that this kind of re-use is the only realistic way a company could build a desktop OS that’s competitive with Windows – that’s an interesting form of economic advantage.
Besides, I think now days most people think of an OS as more than a kernel and APIs, and the fact is OS X would be a non-starter without the ton of open source stuff that Apple includes (Samba, CUPS, gcc, Ruby, Python, Emacs, bash, and the GNU text tools are the ones I use often – and of course there are loads I’ll never know about).
What I think is interesting is that Microsoft could use a similar trick one day, if it so desired.
As an aside, I’d love to see every Windows machine ship with IronPython one day (a fantastic open source project at Microsoft) and I think there should be a Scoble interview with Jim (you can watch a talk on IronPython from the LL4 workshop held at MIT at http://ll4.csail.mit.edu/).
Afternoon All,
Just spending a Sunday morning catching up with a few things and Monad caught my eye. I've been aware of it for a while but didn't realise the Beta2 was available........
Anyway is now Sunday afternoon and I've read the starter guide and got it happily runnning on a SP2 VM. Very nice fellas, very nice indeed. Being an Exchange geek I am interested as to what you will be doing with it (you mentioned they were first customer in
video).
Just a couple of questions though - when do you expect to ship the final release? Don't get me wrong I'm not looking for a specific day - or even a month
I'd happilly settle for a 'before 2006' or a 'before Vista ships' or even a 'after Vista ships'.
Cheers
Joe
"We'll ship in 2006. I'd put my money on "before Vista" but much of that will be determined by the overhead of the process to get out the door." Just curious. Will there be some kind of LINQ syntax in msh or is that v2? --wjs |
I know I'm a little bit late to this party, but Jeffrey Snover is my new hero!
Awesome work.