Shell Team - Exploring and Using Windows Vista

rjdohnert wrote:What are the system requirements going to be. I have already guessed no Windows 2000 support but will this support ClearType fonts and such?
WOW!
JoshRountree wrote:WOW!
orangie wrote:hmmm..just Tabs? is it me or am I missing something?
orangie wrote:
not all negative, I saw the part where you could use a flash drive as RAM in Vista...like that one
00:00 : (crossing arms) I will not be impressed. I have been around the block in IT, seen lots of stuff. I will not be impressed.
06:14 They know what I've been clicking??? I thought the Customer Improvement Program was to improve Customers!!!!
07:30 (crossing arms again)
08:18 Geez, it looks like she's running Windows XP. I thought Office 12 was Vista-only? Maybe you need XP + Avalon + Indigo...?
09:03 Ok, so tabs are the new black. <rolleyes>
09:38 What was that magic incantation...?
10:30 So what, she's hovering over font -- OH. The document is changing as she hovers over each font. Neat.
12:01 Memo to me: check to see if clicknpick.com is taken.
12:20 Ok, that's cool.
14:10 Hmmm. Maybe that should be "chik-n-pick," a restaurant where you choose your chicken entree from... a pull down menu?
16:10 (crosses arms) Ok so it's customizable. <rolleyes>
17:20 Powerpoint is bor. ring.
17:53 Whoa. Not so boring.
18:12 Whoa.
18:21 Whoa!
19:05 Whoa!!!
20:24 Impressive. Oh wait, I wasn't going to be impressed. (crosses arms loosely)
21:58 Ok, that's useful. Wow, and it works in the other apps.
23:33 Nice.
25:30 Nice.
26:32 Well what would any demo be without a bug...
29:30 One less checkbox for using Word as your text editor.
30:08 Was one of those reminders for "Call back Google recruiter"? </joke>
31:11 Er - there was an edit there. Wonder what she said?
34:10 What did she say? "Floaty?"
34:17 Oh this is going to suck so bad. Floaty = Clippy 2005.
34:27 OH! Cool! Ok, not so bad.
36:00 Huh. That is pretty cool. I think.
37:21 (eyes start to fill with tears)
37:33 I will not cry. I will not cry. I will not cry. *sniff* Microsoft is sooooo cool. I [heart] Microsoft. *sniff* (wipes nose on sleeve)
staceyw wrote:Is any of Office 12 written in Managed code? If so, how much? TIA
scobleizer wrote:
staceyw wrote: Is any of Office 12 written in Managed code? If so, how much? TIA
No. None. It's C++ still. I believe.
That said, you should check out Sparkle (we'll have a video tomorrow) or Max. They are completely done in managed code.
stevesi wrote:Actually much of the server side of Office "12" is ...
Office 12 looks incredibly slick and is definitely going to appeal to users of previous editions of Office and other similiar office productivity applications. I still can't help but feel like it is going to scare new users though and hope Microsoft does work between now and RTM to simplify the interface for new users.
JChung2006 wrote:Office 12 looks incredibly slick and is definitely going to appeal to users of previous editions of Office and other similiar office productivity applications. I still can't help but feel like it is going to scare new users though and hope Microsoft does work between now and RTM to simplify the interface for new users.
Karim wrote:00:00 : (crossing arms) I will not be impressed. I have been around the block in IT, seen lots of stuff. I will not be impressed.
06:14 They know what I've been clicking??? I thought the Customer Improvement Program was to improve Customers!!!!
07:30 (crossing arms again)
08:18 Geez, it looks like she's running Windows XP. I thought Office 12 was Vista-only? Maybe you need XP + Avalon + Indigo...?
09:03 Ok, so tabs are the new black. <rolleyes>
09:38 What was that magic incantation...?
10:30 So what, she's hovering over font -- OH. The document is changing as she hovers over each font. Neat.
12:01 Memo to me: check to see if clicknpick.com is taken.
12:20 Ok, that's cool.
14:10 Hmmm. Maybe that should be "chik-n-pick," a restaurant where you choose your chicken entree from... a pull down menu?
16:10 (crosses arms) Ok so it's customizable. <rolleyes>
17:20 Powerpoint is bor. ring.
17:53 Whoa. Not so boring.
18:12 Whoa.
18:21 Whoa!
19:05 Whoa!!!
20:24 Impressive. Oh wait, I wasn't going to be impressed. (crosses arms loosely)
21:58 Ok, that's useful. Wow, and it works in the other apps.
23:33 Nice.
25:30 Nice.
26:32 Well what would any demo be without a bug...
29:30 One less checkbox for using Word as your text editor.
30:08 Was one of those reminders for "Call back Google recruiter"? </joke>
31:11 Er - there was an edit there. Wonder what she said?
34:10 What did she say? "Floaty?"
34:17 Oh this is going to suck so bad. Floaty = Clippy 2005.
34:27 OH! Cool! Ok, not so bad.
36:00 Huh. That is pretty cool. I think.
37:21 (eyes start to fill with tears)
37:33 I will not cry. I will not cry. I will not cry. *sniff* Microsoft is sooooo cool. I [heart] Microsoft. *sniff* (wipes nose on sleeve)
macosxrocks wrote:how much money are you guys paying apple from copying their GUI
i mean, cmon, brushed metal is soooo 4 years ago....
scobleizer wrote:
C9'es will obviously ask what about this .. what about that...
So Excel 12 then...
Is it faster?
My users are starting to get twin 64bit machines. Can Excel take advantage of these? Will you ship a 64bit version of Office?
Does the IV Columns, 65,000 odd rows limit change? Can I get more on a sheet?
Since VB6 has been retired, what are you going to do with VBA? VBA.net?
Are we going to get better intergration with .net? I don't think VSTO for 2005 cuts the mustard for my purposes. It's still very Smart Document centric. I want to expose my .net code via a nice library/contract/interface/whatever right in to a Cell. And that's any cell, in any sheet, when my library is loaded. That's all.
Obscurely, but important to me ... love the zoom feature. Don't need to see pages - just one big sheet. Do need to be able to adjust the zoom for all sheets in a workbook in one go.
Love the Formulas tab, gotta be much easier to find formulas you previously didn't know about. Can I easily intergrate my own libraries in there (+ meta-help-data)?
Julie wrote:
We've taken a lot of the Auto/Pop-up features out.
Lastly, and I appreciate not really your fault at all, but please please can you make Excel more reliable when working with Bloomberg AddIn software? Trust me we do whine to B-berg about it , but if MS phoned them up ans said "hello, you appear to be causing a lot of our users pain" it might provide a helping hand.
I haven't seen anything on Access 12 yet. What did I miss, and where can I find it?
Thanks in advance.
David van Leerdam
dotnetjunkie wrote:Openoffice (or any other competitor) is dead and burried now!
stevesi wrote:We will continue to have support for using the "trident" based editor if you only install Outlook "12" by itself on a machine. The same system requirements exist as today, which is that Word as a mail editor must match in version to Outlook.
For those worried about any quality issues, we have also done a good deal of work and architected things very robustly. Even in the pre-beta builds I run it is super solid.
fantastic! beautiful! elegant!
..oh - and Office isnt looking too shabby either
i will buy office... i will buy office....
First off, wow. Very impressed with the new interface. I was a bit worried when i heard about no menu and no toolbar, but the result looks amazing, and the in place previews will help no end.
I have one question, that i admit i dont know if its been asked before, but when is this coming out in beta? and how can we get a copy of it??
ihatemicrosoft wrote:Oh really? Is Office 12 going to be open source?
If not, then when expliots are discovered, it will take forever and a day for Microsoft to patch them.
Is Office 12 going to save to an Open XML document format?
If not then we are still trapped into forever using Office products, which I'm sure Microsoft loves, but not me. I like choices.
I have used every iteration of Office and pre office (Word for DOS back in 83 or 84).
This release looks like one major step forward. Looking forward to being able to give it a test drive.
ask wrote:And how about .pdf-support? does anyone know if one still have to use Adobes products to make/read pdf's? I really miss that OpenOffice feature where you can "save as .pdf"...![]()
Excellent, I like the new UI and I think it can be very helpful to the user. Other than the UI, I think there are three main topics that I would like to see improve in Office 12
1) Word Styles: most people don't know they exist or what they are useful for. Every time my thesis text went for a review, my advisor would create titles using the Normal style and then making it Bold, changing Font Size… I hope it will be very intuitive for the user how to make formatting choices and how to structure a well formatted document. How about including a few tutorials?
2) MathML (and PlotML, ChemML, etc.): more and more people are moving away from LaTeX for scientific publications (although I worked for my thesis project on a Unix machine, I was required to write the thesis in Word because this way it is easier to review the paper without moving from the PDF output to the source code…). However, the Insert Equation command and even the full Equation Editor are not the best choice: it is virtually impossible to search equations and these are treated like images, making it very hard to do a good formatting job. If including all these extensions is not possible, it should be very easy to implement them with plug-ins.
3) More easily customizable cross-references: it took me a long time to find out how to format multiple cross-references (for example "Figure 1 and Figure 2" to show as "Figure 1 and 2") and it took me even longer to actually do it. This should be much more intuitive and easy to do…
4) Better support for inserting figures in vector form. The EPS filter is far from perfect (try making an EPS figure with Illustrator CS and importing it into Word 2003, it will not show up no matter what you do, unless you save the file as an EPS for Illustrator 3). It would be great if one could include native formats from popular graphic applications (Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, etc.).
4) More statistical functions in Excel and a way to save diagrams as figures to be edited in a graphic application, please!
This is simply a list I made from my personal experience and I hope it will be helpful to someone. Thank you for reading it.
Improvement on functionality is one thing, changing the UI like changing your underwear is quite another.
How does the new Office 12 "know" what I need at any particular time? End-users are already tired of having new windows/new bits of info appear or change in front of their eyes based on what I like to call “Microsoft Intuitionism.”
There was a time when I enjoyed new versions of Microsoft products. It was play-time. Now I have grown tired of major changes in UIs. Even if this is all going to be better, I can't help but complain...
ashortridge wrote:How does the new Office 12 "know" what I need at any particular time? End-users are already tired of having new windows/new bits of info appear or change in front of their eyes based on what I like to call “Microsoft Intuitionism.”...
paulmorriss wrote:In Excel, if I copy a cell and then type in another cell, will it forget what I've copied when I come to paste it? None of the other office products do that.
Office 12, This is Amazing! I love the new UI and layout. Its gonna save alot of time creating all those documents and to scale to see huge doc's this is just better.
The design and speed of functionality is freaking amazing, I wanna get my hands on this product pre-Launch.
It has all the features and functions of easy that we've been crying out for years, am stoked about this one.
Bring it on Office 12 Team.
Okay, third try...once again, the joy of Channel 9's craptacular post editing tools rises to the plate and hits a home run.willk wrote:Actually, concerning the editing surface for composing mail in Outlook12:
Our editing surface will be the Word, regardless of what's installed. If the Word12 product is installed in additon to Outlook12, the you'll get the full Word editing experience in Outlook email.
If Word12 is not installed, then some functionality won't be available when composing email, but you'll still have more functionality than was available using "trident" in Office2003.
Also, in 12, Word will always be the rendering surface for email you've received, even in the Reading Pane.
The Word team has worked hard to make sure we have high fidelity for rendering and composing. It's been truly amazing to see this great work.
One more nugget: Outlook12 now uses Word as its editor for Outlook Meeting Requests, Appointments, Contacts, etc.