Mark Boulter and Brian Pepin - Sneak peak at Cider (visual designer for Orcas, future version of Vis

The Discussion

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  also watch MSDN TV:
  
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20051020CiderMB/manifest.xml
  
  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=950D1EEC-5D4F-4A15-8250-D26E24B80A5D
  
  

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  Thanks Robert,

  Saw this on MSDNTV few days back (both versions seem same, and a little cut off at the end?)

  Can you ask Brian/Mark if the designer (where they were dragging the controls and changing the various properties on the form) is built using Avalon or its .Net/Win32 like the Windows Forms?

  Just wondering if like Sparkle, the Cide designer is itself built on Avalon to take advantage of some of the things we get in Avalon (looking at the adorners [square thingies around the custom control towards the end of demo] it looked like it was Avalon).

  -- or maybe I am just confused...since its an Avalon designer, it has to be Avalon ?

  Awesome stuff...can't wait to get hands on a CTP build.

   

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  Very cool video.  And Scoble -- thanks for using a tripod during the opening interview part.  Did you get one with a fluid head?  It's nice and smooth!
  
  My favorite features:
   
  I'm familiar with today's Toolbox, so it's outstanding that Cider uses exactly the same drag and drop approach to get a general layout going.  I sat down to the Sparkle lab at PDC, and found it to be way different from what I'm used to, so very glad to see that creating XAML will be "business as usual" when Orcas ships.
  
  Both Cider and Sparkle can hand changes to each other, not breaking anything that the other one has done.
  
  Design time can be made to listen to the control's events and tweak property values in your source code on-the-fly.  Didn't know that was possible in Whidbey until now, so I'll have to update some of my WinForms controls to take advantage of that.
  
  
  By the way, you guys are getting lots of mileage out of source code layout preservation!
  
  -Lorin
  

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  would this run on an emachines T4150?
  
  what are orcas requiremnts?
  

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  When is Orcas slated for release? Will it be shipping a couple months after Windows Vista?

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  Good work Robert.
  
  Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider?

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  Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:
  
  All we ever wanted
  was everything
  
  All we ever got
  was cold
  
  Get up
  Eat Jelly
  
  Sandwich bars and barbed wire
  
  Squash every week
  into a day
  
  ...oh to be the cream!
  
  
  

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  bartekczyz wrote:

  Good work Robert.
  
  Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider?

  
  
  Orcas hasn't even begun yet. Devdiv is taking some time off this week to recharge the batteries after Whidbey. After that, we're spending some time to do some work on our engineering practices and after that we'll start Orcas. Orcas will be smaller than Whidbey scope wise, similar to the 2002 -> 2003 upgrade.
  
  It'll be after Vista for sure

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  Looks like the video got cut right at the end. Very cool stuff though.
  

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  i am curious about msft's development cycles. it seems like they are always already working on the next version of a product they have not released yet.
  
  cider and orcas look very cool; although, i am just getting my teeth into vs 2005.

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  neat, but i'd skip into it 19 minutes to see the interesting part.

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  activescott wrote:

  neat, but i'd skip into it 19 minutes to see the interesting part.

  
  
  Why not make a clip using Clipster?
  C

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  What happened to the end? Well, maybe I said some things that were top secret. Seriously, not sure what happened there. Oops.
  
  C

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  rasx wrote:

  Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:
  
  All we ever wanted
  was everything
  
  All we ever got
  was cold
  
  Get up
  Eat Jelly
  
  Sandwich bars and barbed wire
  
  Squash every week
  into a day
  
  ...oh to be the cream!
  
  
  

  
  
  Woooooooooow!... Nice to meet another bard developer Rasx...
  
  Tonatiúh

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  Where can I download Cider? I can't find it everywhere or is it transformed into not yet released product? :O