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Mark Boulter and Brian Pepin - Sneak peak at Cider (visual designer for Orcas, future version of Vis

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Mark Boulter, PM and technical lead, and Brian Pepin, development lead, talk to us about Cider, a future version of the visual designer that'll ship in Orcas, future version of Visual Studio.

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    • Thomas​Scheidegger
    • keeron

      Thanks Robert,

      Saw this on MSDNTV few days back (both versions seem same, and a little cut off at the end?)

      Can you ask Brian/Mark if the designer (where they were dragging the controls and changing the various properties on the form) is built using Avalon or its .Net/Win32 like the Windows Forms?

      Just wondering if like Sparkle, the Cide designer is itself built on Avalon to take advantage of some of the things we get in Avalon (looking at the adorners [square thingies around the custom control towards the end of demo] it looked like it was Avalon).

      -- or maybe I am just confused...since its an Avalon designer, it has to be Avalon Smiley ?

      Awesome stuff...can't wait to get hands on a CTP build.

       

    • Lorin
      Very cool video.  And Scoble -- thanks for using a tripod during the opening interview part.  Did you get one with a fluid head?  It's nice and smooth!

      My favorite features:
       
      I'm familiar with today's Toolbox, so it's outstanding that Cider uses exactly the same drag and drop approach to get a general layout going.  I sat down to the Sparkle lab at PDC, and found it to be way different from what I'm used to, so very glad to see that creating XAML will be "business as usual" when Orcas ships.

      Both Cider and Sparkle can hand changes to each other, not breaking anything that the other one has done.

      Design time can be made to listen to the control's events and tweak property values in your source code on-the-fly.  Didn't know that was possible in Whidbey until now, so I'll have to update some of my WinForms controls to take advantage of that.


      By the way, you guys are getting lots of mileage out of source code layout preservation!

      -Lorin
    • Shark_M
      would this run on an emachines T4150?

      what are orcas requiremnts?
    • CRPietschma​nn
      When is Orcas slated for release? Will it be shipping a couple months after Windows Vista?
    • bartekczyz

      Good work Robert.

      Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider? Smiley

    • rasx
      Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:

      All we ever wanted
      was everything

      All we ever got
      was cold

      Get up
      Eat Jelly

      Sandwich bars and barbed wire

      Squash every week
      into a day

      ...oh to be the cream!


    • Sampy
      bartekczyz wrote:

      Good work Robert.

      Could someone tell me where I'll find more info about Orcas and Cider?



      Orcas hasn't even begun yet. Devdiv is taking some time off this week to recharge the batteries after Whidbey. After that, we're spending some time to do some work on our engineering practices and after that we'll start Orcas. Orcas will be smaller than Whidbey scope wise, similar to the 2002 -> 2003 upgrade.

      It'll be after Vista for sure Smiley
    • Senkwe Chanda
      Looks like the video got cut right at the end. Very cool stuff though.
    • gorbett
      i am curious about msft's development cycles. it seems like they are always already working on the next version of a product they have not released yet.

      cider and orcas look very cool; although, i am just getting my teeth into vs 2005.
    • activescott
      neat, but i'd skip into it 19 minutes to see the interesting part.
    • Charles
      activescott wrote:
      neat, but i'd skip into it 19 minutes to see the interesting part.


      Why not make a clip using Clipster?
      C
    • Charles
      What happened to the end? Well, maybe I said some things that were top secret. Smiley Seriously, not sure what happened there. Oops.

      C
    • Tonatiúh
      rasx wrote:
      Here's some Bauhaus lyrics for programmers late at night:

      All we ever wanted
      was everything

      All we ever got
      was cold

      Get up
      Eat Jelly

      Sandwich bars and barbed wire

      Squash every week
      into a day

      ...oh to be the cream!




      Woooooooooow!... Nice to meet another bard developer Rasx...

      Tonatiúh
    • eriawan2005
      Where can I download Cider? I can't find it everywhere or is it transformed into not yet released product? :O

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