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exactly what i was thinking. Mogwai tooaaronbrethorst wrote:I like it! It has a great Sigur Ros-esque sound.
and to you, you look like the "Sherminator" from American pie movies lol dye your hair red, and ur set.Zeo wrote:Wow! Over 500 Million people for the next 5 years....are going to have to listen to your music. Damn that's a real complement.
Millions of people will hear the startup sound. Wow!
I personally vote to have the guitar sound somewhere evident. Not just all of the lyrical sounds but also the distinct Guitar riff!!
Slides19 wrote:It all sounds the same to me and not very unique IMO.
Great video, thanks guys; this stuff is really nice to see. Can't wait to hear the finished Vista sounds. Is Fripp working on all the vista sounds or just the startup/shutdown ones?
Manip wrote:Famous names are good for one thing -- Saying you have a famous name
Manip wrote:Frankly and based in no small part on what was said in the video, you people spend WAY too much time thinking about such a absolutely minute and tiny detail that nobody REALLY cares about.
Rake wrote:Man i don't even know who that is!
PaintedBlue wrote:King Crimson's "In The Court of the Crimson King" is one of my favorite albums.
Why don't MS use some real musicians that makes real music and not this new age crap. Let's get som beats going, drums etc.
How about someone who has experience in making music for games?
kks wrote:Why don't MS use some real musicians that makes real music and not this new age crap. Let's get som beats going, drums etc.
How about someone who has experience in making music for games?
Bark at the moon wrote:
PaintedBlue wrote: King Crimson's "In The Court of the Crimson King" is one of my favorite albums.
RF/KC is good stuff, although I'm more into Peter Hammill and Van Der Graaf Generator. 'Pawn Hearts' and 'Godbluff' are amazing, if you're into that stuff. Robert Fripp played on ' Pawn Hearts' and probably some other PH/VDGG stuff. They were musical friends of sorts.
buggy123 wrote:Not only do I only use 100 percent pirated copies of Windows in massive OS rollouts, I also disable all sounds upon installation. Eat it, Micro(I need to watch my language).
Larry Osterman: Watch your language.
buggy123 wrote:Not only do I only use 100 percent pirated copies of Windows in massive OS rollouts, I also disable all sounds upon installation. Eat it, Micro(I need to watch my language).
Larry Osterman: Watch your language.
Steve J. wrote:Fripp is a fantastic musician, no question, but what does this news really mean? Vista will always crash with a good sound. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW: Did M$ work out already to play a sound while a blue screen appears?
Horshu wrote:Each sound should end with Robert Fripp saying, "The sound you heard was caused by the following application..."
Really, though, I like the sounds a lot and generally keep the defaults turned on, so I'm looking forward to hearing Vista when it's released. The thing I dislike about Windows sounds, though, is the random beep from a window wayyyy underneath a stack of others. It's a little late, but it'd be cool if the greater the window's Z value, the quieter the sound, and then what I desperately want is some kind of sound log so I can track down a particular sound made at a particular time to find out why the sound got triggered.
whatever but this sucks
Be# wrote:
Slides19 wrote: It all sounds the same to me and not very unique IMO.
... which basically is the idea of a Theme isn't it: All sounds very similar with slight differences.
Slides19 wrote:
Be# wrote:
Slides19 wrote: It all sounds the same to me and not very unique IMO.
... which basically is the idea of a Theme isn't it: All sounds very similar with slight differences.
I meant that it sounded the same as the XP theme music in the XP tour.
I would like this to be start up sound, Bill Gates voice saying "Hi, I'm Bill Gates, Chairman & Chief Software Architect of Microsoft Corporation".
LarryOsterman wrote:
So if random app A calls PlaySound("Alert") (which plays the users configured alert sound), Robert Fripp should somehow come to their home, and figure out that it was random app A that called it?
Horshu wrote:
LarryOsterman wrote:
So if random app A calls PlaySound("Alert") (which plays the users configured alert sound), Robert Fripp should somehow come to their home, and figure out that it was random app A that called it?
Evidentally, the "" didn't make it quite clear enough that I don't honestly expect Robert Fripp to audibly ID every sound in Windows when it plays, so imagine Robert Fripp also playing a Vista-like rimshot instead of the emoticon. My point is that Windows does not do a good job at connecting the multitasking visual with the multitasking audio, which results in a confusing experience when the system starts chiming, etc.
LarryOsterman wrote:
But you might concider not using pirated versions of Windows. You wouldn't steal from the local grocery store, would you? So why are you stealing from me?
theshadguy wrote:
Rake wrote:Man i don't even know who that is!
gtho. haha just kidding. King Crimson is one of the most important progressive rock bands of all time. You should certainly check them out if you haven't before. Also, check out the wikipedia article on prog rock if you need some background info.
As somebody mentioned before, "In The Court Of The Crimson King" is one of their finest albums. I highly reccomend it
Steve J. wrote:Fripp is a fantastic musician, no question, but what does this news really mean? Vista will always crash with a good sound. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW: Did M$ work out already to play a sound while a blue screen appears?
phm wrote:I've never seen any indication of him or those of his musical genre and ability follow the masses, much less support them. And if ever there was a mass on this planet, it's Microsoft users. It's downright scary. Fripp and his contemporaries' music has always been the creative result of showing no interest whatsoever in what everybody else is doing. And now Microsoft? Robert, what were you thinking? Life is filled with bitter ironies. What I've heard sounds nice, but what place does it have on a MS operating system?
ZippyV wrote:Hope I get this right: This 6 hour recording will result in only one 4 second sample?
thrang wrote:Fripp is a big-time Macintosh user....
If you've ever been to a Crimson show you'll know that Fripp is ALWAYS in the shadows, much as he is in this video. So perhaps he is the best man for the job after all...Manip wrote:And worse, famous people aren't always the most qualified to do the job at hand. It is always the people in the shadows that do the best work, it is the people in the spotlight that take the credit for it...
1. i guess asking fripp for doing the job was a bit like getting an elitist cherry-on-the-cake for a mass product. it's a bit snobby, no?
2. can you absolve an off-mainstream artist of doing one of the most mainstream jobs thinkable, that may resolve all his worries about his old-age plans? i think: no.
3. maybe fripp takes this as a chance to intrude the system. but i doubt 2 seconds can be very effective on that.
4. i turned off the ms sound ever since i found out my wife gets to recognize every time i'm sitting here, right in front......
5. i'm grateful for ms giving me a chance to meet so many interesting, pleasant people & get knowledge in such an easy way.
6. but every look at a computer screen is a left out look at the real sky, a real tree, a real human face.
7. well, sometimes it's a relief not to look into those acclaimed "real" things...
thanks for this thread. getting to know about fripp's enterprise was a bit of a shot in the heart. he had been a hero of my youth. his work may stay unstained.
sorry for being pathetic, old prog disease...
I get the feeling Vista's headed for a really "cold" feel, like from one of those dystopic sci-fi movies. Aero's nice but it feels cold too.
This music makes me feel like I'm walking through puddles up in the mountains with thin air.
Maybe especially because I'm in Vancouver. We don't get much sun here, particularly at this time of the year. There's gotta be something that makes it feel like there's some warmth. I'm sure you people down in Redmond know what I mean.
I just want some Star Trek Enterprise (like) sounds. Those were really cool and unobtrusive.Toast, I think I can arrange that. Drop me an email at aliebsch-at-microlaw.com if you are interested.
I wonder what would happen if you played the Vista sound backwards. We should ask Jeff Milner.
Sleuths Seek Messages in Lyrical Backspin
WSJ wrote:When Jeff Milner installed software on his Web site that could play digital songs in reverse, he tested it with a snippet of Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven." The song, heard normally, refers to "a bustle in your hedgerow." Played backward, says Mr. Milner, the line sounds like: "Oh, here's to my sweet Satan."Today, Mr. Milner's Web site plays parts of songs from the Eagles, John Lennon, Britney Spears, Eminem and others -- both normally and in reverse. Mr. Milner, a Canadian college student majoring in new media, offers interpretations of the reverse-plays. A line in Ms. Spears's "Baby One More Time," played backward, becomes "Sleep with me, I'm not too young," Mr. Milner claims. What sounds like mumbling in Pink Floyd's "Empty Spaces," Mr. Milner says, becomes more intelligible in reverse: "Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message."
are you sure you watched the same video i did? i got better sounds from the local orchestra here in Botosani, Romania. and don't wana acuse robert fripp of anything but come on... i don't think with this kind of sounds it will be anyone to let the SOUND
BACKGROUND or SOUND TEXTURE enabled... i see there is more of a nostalgic feeling than a Clear, Conected and Confidend
Thanks for posting, Oskiano; you forgot to mention Robert's groundbreaking work with:
Talking Heads
David Sylvian
The Roches
Blondie
The Orb
John Paul Jones
FSOL
Joe Satriani
Mike Keneally
Guitar Craft
not to mention his influence on thousands of guitarists, bands, musicians, and composers worldwide. That said, supposed 'celebrity value' had no influence on the motivation to bring him in for this non-trivial process.
Regarding this thread: some interesting and insightful comments here, all around. It is perhaps healthy to observe the extreme, passionate, and often polarizing responses as the story of this process begins unfolding gently in the
press and in hundreds of blogs. FYI, this video barely scratches the surface of what is really going on with this process. This long thread may be only the beginning of a polarizing debate, esp now that a vague but intriguing AP wire story is beginning to
show up in mainstream press. An AP story about the Ch9 video has (so far) been picked up and run verbatim by:
Seattle Post Intelligencer
InformationWeek
Leading The Charge, Australia
WebProNews, KY
USA Today
San Jose Mercury News
BusinessWeek
Forbes
WJLA, DC
The Ledger, FL
TheNewsTribune WA
CRN Australia, Australia
iT News, Australia
Also interesting that about a week after quietly posting this brief video, 'Fripp+Vista' also allegedly brings back ~276,000 hits (of uncertain relevance) in a certain unnamed competitor's search engine.
Must be a slow news week?
Thanks everyone for taking the time to listen in and post your comments (all flavors!) Stay tuned: there will likely be more videos regarding this process in future Ch9 postings.
-Steve
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oskiano wrote:For those who don't know him, but may be interested in looking for samples of Robert's work, here is a small iceberg tip with a varied landscape. Just one subjective opinion of course, but this covers a lot of ground.
King Crimson: Discipline, Red, Power to Believe (or the box sets)
League of Crafty Guitarists: Live in Europe
David Bowie: Scary Monsters
Soundscapes series
Fripp and Eno: Essential
Peter Gabriel 2
League of Gentlemen: God Save the King
Bark at the moon wrote:RF/KC is good stuff, although I'm more into Peter Hammill and Van Der Graaf Generator. 'Pawn Hearts' and 'Godbluff' are amazing, if you're into that stuff. Robert Fripp played on ' Pawn Hearts' and probably some other PH/VDGG stuff. They were musical friends of sorts.
PaintedBlue wrote: King Crimson's "In The Court of the Crimson King" is one of my favorite albums.
i just hope it does a a good job... after all we are now talking about some details that will, eventualy, be disabled after aprox 20min after we start the windows vista instalation (maybe less, depending on the machine [6])...
i don't see what's the big deal anyway...
The use of ascending combinations in D & E major and augmented chords with backing keyboards, the Fripp scheme makes great baby don’t cry nursery atmosphere. Plus it would root 0 to 2 year olds to develop life long appetite for Microsoft Products.... but Fripps scheme will get old after a week for most of us…. So here are the better suggestions for the masses….. Dear Microsoft, The importance of sound schemes and VISTA’s value would increase if more energetic schemes featuring Eddie Van and Alex Van Halen were included. Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page including Jon Bonham with a Thunder of Drums would be a remarkable scheme and make VISTA penetrate global software market like the Xbox 360 does now. Even Cadillac marketers found out where the money and prestige is, but VISTA could take it to the next level. Microsoft you could build in some animated mouse over effects with the extroverted stage mannerisms of legendary guitarist Angus Young to definitely make Vista the most desirable for the mass market appeal. If necessary, users could pay a small premium on that scheme to entice AC/DC cooperation for starters since Media Center edition is going to become rolled into VISTA it is a natural. Microsoft, let me suggest you take the following approach with AC/DC, you will have to tie this VISTA sound scheme effort as a tease for the AC/DC 2006/7 world tour and new release double album release they are recording with Mutt Lang in Vancouver. But use a UK Microsoft marketing executive who lives a proper pub life over in North London to initially get this connected.
I can't think of a better person to encapsulate in sound both the great successes and inevitable failures of windows operations.
Although I think it would be quite funny to have Robert record sounds for the entry points and flowing progress as someone else manages something more caustic for errors... If only Muslimgauze was still alive, or perhaps Aphex Twin or MBM.
Not to say that Robert is unable to sound alarming in his own right. But if we are going to put together people who consider the physical and spiritual nature of sound as being important, I would think there would be some experiments worth trying.
Yggdrasil wrote:
I don't know who's idea it was to get Fripp to do the sounds for Vista, but s/he is nothing less than a god. Please let whomever it is know they made my day.
I can't wait to see what the final product sounds like!
integrationarchitect wrote:The use of ascending combinations in D & E major and augmented chords with backing keyboards, the Fripp scheme makes great baby don’t cry nursery atmosphere. Plus it would root 0 to 2 year olds to develop life long appetite for Microsoft Products.... but Fripps scheme will get old after a week for most of us…. So here are the better suggestions for the masses….. Dear Microsoft, The importance of sound schemes and VISTA’s value would increase if more energetic schemes featuring Eddie Van and Alex Van Halen were included. Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page including Jon Bonham with a Thunder of Drums would be a remarkable scheme and make VISTA penetrate global software market like the Xbox 360 does now. Even Cadillac marketers found out where the money and prestige is, but VISTA could take it to the next level. Microsoft you could build in some animated mouse over effects with the extroverted stage mannerisms of legendary guitarist Angus Young to definitely make Vista the most desirable for the mass market appeal. If necessary, users could pay a small premium on that scheme to entice AC/DC cooperation for starters since Media Center edition is going to become rolled into VISTA it is a natural. Microsoft, let me suggest you take the following approach with AC/DC, you will have to tie this VISTA sound scheme effort as a tease for the AC/DC 2006/7 world tour and new release double album release they are recording with Mutt Lang in Vancouver. But use a UK Microsoft marketing executive who lives a proper pub life over in North London to initially get this connected.
tuningfork wrote:Oh dear. Although I have great respect for Mr Fripp I've heard the same stuff on relaxation tapes. Come on guys get a grip. It's a poor video - why wasn't it "treated" before posting so I didn't have to mess up my settings just to see it?
Someone said it all sounded the same but just slighly different and the reply was that's the idea of a theme. NO IT ISN'T! The idea of a theme is to be instantly recognisable and be able to associate it with the product/show. This sounds like a million other ambient sounds.
Waste of money and time afaic.
pirate_jonno wrote:Now all they need is an Greg Lake/Adrian Belew version of Microsoft Sam!
Would it be possible to make available some ambient loops of this, maybe with some other possible themes in there? The final sounds do sound cool, but some of that stuff in that video sounded awesome too!
on wrote:
phm wrote:I've never seen any indication of him or those of his musical genre and ability follow the masses, much less support them. And if ever there was a mass on this planet, it's Microsoft users. It's downright scary. Fripp and his contemporaries' music has always been the creative result of showing no interest whatsoever in what everybody else is doing. And now Microsoft? Robert, what were you thinking? Life is filled with bitter ironies. What I've heard sounds nice, but what place does it have on a MS operating system?
Excuse me but your statements are totally insane.
It has nothing to do with the "masses".
Brian Eno wrote those startup sound for Windows 95. Now Fripp made it for Vista. It's good. Steve Ball asked Fripp - i think it was his idea.
You shouldn't mix up Microsoft, the company with the creative souls working there.
This is an all-time mistake - everybody underestimates the programmers working at Microsoft. They are not worse than the ones working at Apple.
mclement wrote:Ahh I wish I knew he was on campus... I'd have tried to sneak in the session
-mano
Robert Fripp sings for Vista???? Can't really believe it, but glad to see him on real action. This might do some good to its career, and also to Vista users and fans. For me, this alliance awakens my interest in Vista, lost a time ago!
@Manip: thank you for the cheap cookie cutter opinion.
Unlocking!
in this year in April Microsoft stop supporting Windows Vista. it was unstable, crashed a lot, but when Microsoft released service pack 2 for Windows Vista it helped a lot. Windows Vista always have a special place in my heart because I was six years old when it was released and it was the operating system that got me into liking computers.