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AndyC wrote:You realise, of course, that the sidebar and gadgets were seen in the Longhorn pre-beta long before Apple's Dashboard was even a glint in Steve Jobs eye...
Togora wrote:Mmm, is the introduction of Sidebars and the likes not following Apple? My son, who runs a imac, seems to think so and he is 15 years old. Could Microsoft not have tried to take a leap into the dark and come up with a more inventive concept? The introduction of gadgets is starting to produce a fresher desktop but it has been done before. Is it not time to move on? I suspect that now Microsoft has taken them up Apple will move on and introduce something new. Sheep and Bah seem to spring to mind right now. And no I am NOT Welsh!
jsrfc58 wrote:
Don't you mean Konfabulator was a glint in Steve Jobs eye? That "widget" project was released in February 2003. When did the Longhorn pre-beta come out?
Thornton Mellon wrote:
What's a Widget?
Professor Barbay wrote:
It's a fictional product, it doesn't matter.
Thornton Mellon wrote:
Fictional Product, tell that to the bank..
AndyC wrote:Well, Paul Thurrott had screenshots of the sidebar as far back as November 2002. Make of that what you will...
jsrfc58 wrote:
Don't you mean Konfabulator was a glint in Steve Jobs eye? That "widget" project was released in February 2003. When did the Longhorn pre-beta come out?
WPF supports the running of "Web Browser Applications", which are slightly different than the model that the Sidebar WPF gadgets will support. However you will be able to create a Web Browser Application with WPF with just a few XAML tweaks, reusing your existing layout and logic.
brianteutsch[msft] wrote:WPF supports the running of "Web Browser Applications", which are slightly different than the model that the Sidebar WPF gadgets will support. However you will be able to create a Web Browser Application with WPF with just a few XAML tweaks, reusing your existing layout and logic.
CRPietschmann wrote:
brianteutsch[msft] wrote: WPF supports the running of "Web Browser Applications", which are slightly different than the model that the Sidebar WPF gadgets will support. However you will be able to create a Web Browser Application with WPF with just a few XAML tweaks, reusing your existing layout and logic.
I haven't watched the vidio yet, but...
I'm guessing that the only way to write Gadgets is to use .NET. So then whether you run it in your browser or in the Sidebar it will run in a sort of "protected" mode so that your "safe" from malicious code. And don't forget that the only browser that they will probably run in will be IE7+.
balupton wrote:watching it right now, but this is the biggest thing im worried about!
ARE THEY RESIZABLE?
Seing that everything is vector based, they could/should all be infinitly be able to be resized to 999x999pixels or even 1x1 pixels.
Im a compact man and i want as much stuff in smallest space as possible.
I think that this is a huge thing that needs to be taken into consideration.
Also can i write gadgets in Visual Studio?
Like make a C# application and make it viewable as a gadget?
And is there a exe->gadget convertor for .NET v2.0 Applications?
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izzy wrote:Is there anybody working at Microsoft who isn't a Program Manager ?
It always goes: I'm ..... Program Manager on the .... team.
Winston Pang wrote:So is there a site where it would explain the limitations, and how i would write a gadget? I would like to get started in making one.
t2701 wrote:Good video but the host (the guy holding the camera) is annoying. If he wants to joke around all day, try doing standup.
Anyway, good video.
This widescreen thing is a very good argument. Because most of the time it is just extra unneeded space which can easly be filled up with a sidebar. But let's say I have a widescreen convertable tabletPC, they will probaly arrive somewhere in the near future.
Will I be able to automaticly turn off the sidebar (or put it to hide and show when mouse is close) when I switch from normal laptop mode to tabletPC mode?
Because when you switch there is no more extra screen space on the side of the screen, because it is now at the bottom of the screen.
Winston Pang wrote:So is there a site where it would explain the limitations, and how i would write a gadget? I would like to get started in making one.
I would like to see Gadgets and Widgets end up being cross-platform - meaning I could use Apple widgets with Windows Sidebar and Microsoft Gadgets with Dashboard. It would be nice if that could happen.
I'm not holding my breath though.
Overall I am pretty excited for Windows Sidebar and its Gadgets both for the desktop and also from Start.com.
jsrfc58 wrote:
AndyC wrote: Well, Paul Thurrott had screenshots of the sidebar as far back as November 2002. Make of that what you will...
jsrfc58 wrote:
Don't you mean Konfabulator was a glint in Steve Jobs eye? That "widget" project was released in February 2003. When did the Longhorn pre-beta come out?
And then, I suppose to add to that, on the Konfabulator site, it said it was an idea he was thinking about five years before February 2003 (and the project was underway in 2002, but it just wasn't released until February 2003).
So, it's the old "who came up with it first" innovation argument. Which is then usually followed closely by the "yeah, but when did it arrive on MY platform?" argument.
Not that any of this productive.![]()
Looks very cool, should make the desktop experience more interesting. More the reason to learn DHTML now!
brianteutsch[msft] wrote:We've announced that gadgets can be written in either DHTML or by using Windows Platform Foundation (.NET).
Sorry, that should have read Windows Presentation Foundation, formerly codenamed "Avalon". http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/presentation/default.aspxPatriotB wrote:brianteutsch[msft] said:We've announced that gadgets can be written in either DHTML or by using Windows Platform Foundation (.NET).
Windows Platform Foundation?? Is .NET being renamed?
brianteutsch[msft] wrote:Sorry, that should have read Windows <i>Presentation</i> Foundation, formerly codenamed "Avalon". http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/presentation/default.aspx
AdamKinney wrote:
izzy wrote: Is there anybody working at Microsoft who isn't a Program Manager ?
It always goes: I'm ..... Program Manager on the .... team.
Hi, I'm Adam Kinney Software Development Engineer on the Channel9 team.
Winston Pang wrote: So is there a site where it would explain the limitations, and how i would write a gadget? I would like to get started in making one.
Keep your eye on MicrosoftGadgets.com. But for today, there is some information on Start.com.
OMG they DO exist! DEVELOPERS at Microsoft!
I would like to see more developers in channel9 vids myself. Come on guys, we know you are in there somewhere. Somebody has to be writing all of this great software, and it sure isnt a program manager :O
Some folks on here are making comparisons of this cool new feature set to products like Konfabulator. Widgets gadgets, whatever have been around for a lot longer than those current projects. Does anyone remember Gizmos from Play Inc. for Windows, it worked
on Win 98 and WinNT and on the Amiga before it.
I have to say the that saying Microsoft 'copied' seems to me pretty unfair, because these other products seem to have copied things before it. It's really easy to point fingers, but this type of product has been around forever. I think Microsoft has a pretty
unique and powerful implementation myself.
kishoret wrote:How come the demo person always gets the credit? ...where is the guy who actually developed those gadgets...???....Program Managers....you guys are "Credit stealer's"....Developers rockkk...and i think they should part of the videos...toooo
I love the caffeinated vibe of this video.
You don't get it. No matter who comes up with the idea first, it's all about how you implement it. So far, Apple has always implemented it in a simpler, more functional and esthetically pleasing way than MS. Just because my grand dad still drives a Ford Model-T doesn't mean it's better than my new Toyota Matrix!!! Speaking of quality, am I the only who noticed that all the MS software (Windows excluded) is more intuitive and prettier on Apple OSX than MS Windows (ex.: MS Office X, MS Media Player)? Why is that? If I was MS, I'd release such quality apps on MS Windows and design ugly crap to drive ppl off OSX.AndyC wrote:You realise, of course, that the sidebar and gadgets were seen in the Longhorn pre-beta long before Apple's Dashboard was even a glint in Steve Jobs eye...
Number9 wrote:Hey David,
I was at that presentation at PDC
You had that laptop at the "sidebar" table in the big room...
Togora wrote:is the introduction of Sidebars and the likes not following Apple? ... Could Microsoft not have tried to take a leap into the dark and come up with a more inventive concept?
Ha! I was scrolling through the responses just waiting for someone who has not been MS-brainwashed to remember "Desktop Accessories". Kudos to you for reminding everyone on this.
This is not to say that Apple invented everything, there is probably a lot of borrowing going on in both directions. Reflecting back on some of MS's "innovations" though, actually leaves me quite unimpressed (in no particular order):
1. Active desktop. A horrible idea, maybe Google will get it right though. When your OS has a drag-n-drop paradigm (which is inherently non-weblike) then you have a collision of ideas that doesn't work. Similarly, the OS is normally double-clickish and now suddenly we're single-clicking? Ugh.
2. MFC. Makes Swing look elegant.
3. COM / DCOM / COM+. Crap, crap and crap. Aren't these based on RPC anyway, which is part of the DCE (distributed computing environment) from soooo long ago? Although, to their credit it's a heckuva lot better than Corba (IDL's, anyone?.... stupid). I
think the whole J2EE thing blows to, FYI, so I guess the winner is some combination of Ruby/Python/PERL/PHP. Who knows...
4. Visual Basic. They got the "visual" part exactly right, which is why it became so popular. Too bad the language is horrible. I'm not going to get up on a soapbox but suffice it to say that if Visual C had truly been "visual", like VB, then we would be
in a different world right now.
5. ActiveX. Remember cutting-and-pasting GUIDs into code? Neither does anyone else, because it was thankfully short-lived.
6. MFC,no wait, DAO... no, ADO... no, wait, oh crud... let's just go back to ODBC.
7. OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait, aw heck we can't figure it out either.
8. FAT. no wait, FAT32. no wait, NTFS. no wait WinFS. Aw... maybe we should just use a real file system that's been in product for 20 years and that has free source code... I'll leave that exerecise to the reader.
9. INT 21h. No wait, WinAPI (with thunking!). No wait, WIN32. No wait, WinFX.
10. GDI. No wait, OpenGL. No wait, DirectX.
Does anyone see a pattern in their innovation here? Aimless wandering, sometimes with wonderful results that we all benefit from, but mostly either reinventing the wheel or else trying to force people into a proprietary solution.
Keep one other thing in mind... A lot of the *nixes out there have just as much luggage, but one thing is probably different: They were designed from the ground up as multi-user distributed secure timesharing environments. Windows was not, and though they
have some of the smartest engineers on the planet, MS has to maintain backwards compatibility with all of their mistakes. *nix doesn't have to (file systems can be jettisoned, etc). Just a thought.
question for ya.
What brand / model of laptop is that?
jsrfc58 wrote:
AndyC wrote:You realise, of course, that the sidebar and gadgets were seen in the Longhorn pre-beta long before Apple's Dashboard was even a glint in Steve Jobs eye...
http://www.konfabulator.com/cartoon/partFour.html
Don't you mean Konfabulator was a glint in Steve Jobs eye? That "widget" project was released in February 2003. When did the Longhorn pre-beta come out?