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  • magicalclick

    Seriously, they disabled Bing Map in favor of their own Nokia Map. I can still get to Bing Map by using existing address from Contact, and Map shows up instantly instead of Nokia Map. Also I dislike Nokia Map user interface. I removed Nokia Map, but, I still can't get back the Bing Map. I really need a quick answer from Nokia and Microsoft officials. Because I will consider returning it if they want to cripple my WinPh8 like this.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • Maddus Mattus

    Sucks indeed,..

    Hope you get it solved.

  • JohnAskew

    Holy Toledo!

    Great Ceasar's Ghost!

    Jumping Jehosephat!

    I just canceled my ATT Navigator becase it had me driving in circles in Lafayette Louisiana literally. Bing has been fully accurate plus it is free, not $10 per month.

    Nokia 920 is no longer a contender for me, I'm going with the HTC 8x.

  • wkempf

    I thought all Windows Phone 8 devices were going to switch to Nokia Maps? http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/windows-phone-8-to-use-nokia-map-data-with-built-in-turn-by-turn/

    Nokia Maps are one reason I loved my Lumia 800 more than my Samsung Focus. I'm not sure what it is you find so distasteful about them?

  • Jim Young

    What's wrong with Nokia maps? You get turn by turn, downloadable maps for just about everywhere, and some of the best mapping in the market.

  • TexasToast

    @wkempf: Same here.  Nokia maps are great and I just downloaded Canada and US .   I don't know what these guys are complaining about.   Bing is dynamic where nokia maps are static and always available.

  • cbae

    Nokia Drive (i.e. the navigation software) is a great app, as usability goes. However, I agree with @JohnAskew about Bing Maps. The turn-by-turn instructions (although requiring manual invocation) have been pretty rock-solid in terms of accuracy. Nokia Drive once had me driving around in circles while looking for the Santa Clara Microsoft Store, of all places.

    Until the turn-by-turn data gets updated and the software gets integrated into the local services, Nokia Maps/Drive can't replace Bing Maps.

  • wkempf

    , cbae wrote

    Nokia Drive (i.e. the navigation software) is a great app, as usability goes. However, I agree with @JohnAskew about Bing Maps. The turn-by-turn instructions (although requiring manual invocation) have been pretty rock-solid in terms of accuracy. Nokia Drive once had me driving around in circles while looking for the Santa Clara Microsoft Store, of all places.

    Until the turn-by-turn data gets updated and the software gets integrated into the local services, Nokia Maps/Drive can't replace Bing Maps.

    See, that's where I get confused. First, @JohnAskew said ATT Navigator, not Nokia Drive. If ATT Navigator had him driving in circles I don't see how it's relevant to this thread? Second, like I linked to, I thought WP8 was moving to Nokia Maps anyway. Not to mention Bing Maps has always been based on Navteq data, which is owned by Nokia.

    What, exactly, is the complaint here? If it's about data accuracy, I don't get it at all, because it's the same data (and it's better data than anyone else has, BTW, including Google). If it's about the features... Nokia Drive has more features. If it's an interface complaint, I'm not sure I can agree, but I'd like to hear specifically what it is people prefer? Right now, this thread seems to me like a reactionary complaint with no knowledge of the reality.

  • wkempf

    / duplicate deleted - first time C9 has ever messed up on me

  • JohnAskew

    @wkempf: My point is that even paid services seem less accurate than Bing!

    Is Nokia's navigator free or not?

  • wkempf

    Nokia Drive is free, but only available on Nokia devices.

  • Blue Ink

    @wkempf: The navigation algorithm is not part of the data; even Google uses the same Navteq data for most of the world, but this doesn't mean its directions will match those of Bing or Nokia Maps. And for some reason, Nokia Drive has pulled quite a few stupid stunts on me (like trying to find "clever" shortcuts that cut through a carrot patch or something).

    My guess is that their algorithm uses a different balance between fastest vs shortest (and probably simplest), and that doesn't necessarily work best everywhere. Unfortunately it doesn't offer options to change that.

  • magicalclick

    @Jim Young:

    Bing map also download the same offline map.

     

    @All:

    Bing map is way better with nice quick direction button, which is easier to use than all other competitors. The traffic actually works on Bing map, Nokia version is not working. Bing map open up like 30 times faster. Cannot even time Bing map because it opens up right away.

    And most of all, I hate OEM cripple Windows, period. If want to install Nokia map, that is my choice, not forced to cripple my OS.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • kettch

    @magicalclick: Tell me how to do offline maps in Bing, because I can't find that feature.

    Nokia maps isn't an OEM thing. It's been said a couple of times in this thread already, Nokia maps is going to be replacing Bing maps in WP and over time in other products. It may retain the Bing branding, but it will also have the Nokia branding.

  • wkempf

    @kettch: I believe downloadable maps were announced for WP8. This is one of the features brought over by the Bing/Nokia migration.

    So, the issue is mostly one of interface. I can understand that, just don't agree. I really like Nokia Drive. However, there should be a choice. On the 800 they were separate apps, and if I didn't like Nokia Drive I could have stayed with Bing Maps (and the horrible "click to get voice navigation"... shudder). If that's changed with the new Nokia WP8 phones, that is indeed bad, even if I prefer Nokia Drive. OEMs should add to the experience, not replace it.

  • kettch

    @wkempf: Ahhh, I'd thought that the Nokia apps were going to be the replacement for the actual Bing Maps app itself.

    I wonder if Nokia's involvement will be more than just providing the data. If they start doing the routing for Bing as well, then it doesn't matter which app you use.

  • JohnAskew

    Just stop sending me driving in circles, please. Wink

     

  • magicalclick

    @kettch:

    both of them use the same offline data. I downloaded the map thru Nokia. And I tired the map on Bing using my mom's address, which opens up instantly, unlike Nokia. And the Bing map is able to zoom in and out and move in my state instantly. And after I remove Nokia map, I still have the same offline map.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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