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Katrina aftermath is stunning

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  • leighsword

    BruceLee wrote:
    Larsenal wrote:I don't believe we will ever conquer nature.


    This is true.

    And I believe every person, nation or country will face some difficult time. People must unite together and help with each other to get over the difficulities.

    why China has a good weather? i don't think we are very lucky living in such a wonderful region, because of a tons of Chinese rocksys hardly work on it for us.

    Around 132 AD, Chinese scientist Chang Heng invented the first seismoscope, an instrument that could register the occurrence of an earthquake. quote from http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blseismograph.htm



  • Red5

    leighsword wrote:
    just  be curious about what the US government will do for help their people in this situation, and how much budget they spent for preventing future disaster?


    The day mankind can prevent a hurricane, without upsetting the balance of nature, will be the same day that pigs learn to fly.

    If you mean to say how could people survive a disaster like a hurricane and resume normal living shortly thereafter. . . yes this might be possible.  The obstacle is of course money.

  • Red5

    Red5 wrote:
    leighsword wrote:just  be curious about what the US government will do for help their people in this situation, and how much budget they spent for preventing future disaster?


    The day mankind can prevent a hurricane, without upsetting the balance of nature, will be the same day that pigs learn to fly.

    If you mean to say how could people survive a disaster like a hurricane and resume normal living shortly thereafter. . . yes this might be possible.  The obstacle is of course money.


    To stay on topic of this thread, I will be making a cash donation to the cause.  If I didn't have a family dependent on me, I would probably head down there to volunteer anyway I could.

    I do have an old laptop that is collecting dust.  Maybe there is a need for technology items like my laptop that I could donate?? Anyone know?

  • trolane

    it's there own fault for living in a city on the coast in hurricane alley that is below sea level. What a stupid place for a city. Casinos on the water in Mississippi , another stupid idea. Living in hurricane alley is just stupid itself.
    Hard to have much sympathy except for people that can't make a choice.

  • MisterDonut

    trolane wrote:
    it's there own fault for living in a city on the coast in hurricane alley that is below sea level. What a stupid place for a city. Casinos on the water in Mississippi , another stupid idea. Living in hurricane alley is just stupid itself.
    Hard to have much sympathy except for people that can't make a choice.
    Some people are too poor to be able to move and were born there. People like that do not have a choice where they live.

  • andokai

    Red5 wrote:
    The day mankind can prevent a hurricane, without upsetting the balance of nature, will be the same day that pigs learn to fly.


    Wouldn't pigs fly in a hurricane? Sorry couldn't resist Tongue Out

  • footballism

    Red5 wrote:

    The day mankind can prevent a hurricane, without upsetting the balance of nature, will be the same day that pigs learn to fly.

    I know it's not the right time to laugh, but I just cannot resist:P, sorry for that

  • Frankie Fresh

    From Wikipedia:

    Much of the city is located below sea level between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, so the city is surrounded by levees. Until the early 20th century, construction was largely limited to the slightly higher ground along old natural river levees and bayous, since much of the rest of the land was swampy and subject to frequent flooding. This gave the 19th century city the shape of a crescent along a bend of the Mississippi, the origin of the nickname The Crescent City. In the 1910s engineer and inventor A. Baldwin Wood enacted his ambitious plan to drain the city, including large pumps of his own design which are still used. All rain water must be pumped up to the canals which drain into Lake Pontchartrain. Wood's pumps and drainage allowed the city to expand greatly in area. However, pumping of groundwater from underneath the city has resulted in subsidence. This has greatly increased the flood risk, should the levees be breached or precipitation be in excess of pumping capacity, as would later happen in 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. A major hurricane could create a lake in the central city as much as 30 feet deep, which could take months to pump dry.

    And

    New Orleans' future has been cast into uncertainty as city, state, and federal officials have struggled to deal with the destruction.

    It's scary to think that so many people's lives will be changed forever and that such a beautiful city has been destroyed.

    While it's easy to criticize the engineers who creted a house of cards, let's remember the people whose lives are affected by this.

    For those of us weary of the Red Cross after their alleged mishandling of funds for WTC victims, FEMA has a list of charitable organizations at http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18473

    I've also noticed that many of the city of New Orleans' web sites are offline.  No surprise there, but I do wonder what their disaster recovery plans are (were).

  • eagle

    New Orleans is the third largest port in America.

     

    Building a Better Community  The Baton Rouge Area Foundation has established two funds designated to benefit those impacted by Hurricane Katrina.

  • footballism

    leighsword wrote:

    why China has a good weather? i don't think we are very lucky living in such a wonderful region, because of a tons of Chinese rocksys hardly work on it for us.

        I think we have the same problem with natural disasters as our Uncle Sam has. as to a lady who lives in a metropolitan city such as Shanghai, she cannot really understand the ordeals and pains those people in the disastrous regions have to go through...
        As to your "good weather" theory, it's really un-heard-of.
    leighsword wrote:

    Around 132 AD, Chinese scientist Chang Heng invented the first seismoscope, an instrument that could register the occurrence of an earthquake. quote from

    Just mind you, my lady of decompilation, even today, no single country in the world can accurately forecast earthquakes!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Erisan

    Bit OT.

    Another horrific trategy Sad

    ... and we should not forgot Africa where happens horrific things all the time. Unfortunately papers doesn't write about those Sad

  • Larsenal

    Tonatiúh wrote:
    ...wisdom and mercy...


    Well said.


    While I agree, I bet w3bbo wouldn't.  We've had previous discussions where it seemed he was in favor of letting the weakest/dumbest humans die off.  I just can't understand that.  (Correct me if I've misstated your position, w3bbo.)

  • Lazycoder2

    Yahoo has set up an online store where you can donate to the Red Cross.

    They also have a link on their front page to the Network For Good, which lists several other places where you can donate to the hurricane katrina effort

    Amazon isn't planning to participate in the fund raising since the Red Cross was able to get it's message out for several days before the hurricane. There isn't the immediate unforseen need that the tsunami created.

  • Karim

    "Focal prefrontal cortex damage and closed-head injury in adults result in changes in empathy (reviewed by Eslinger 1998). Patients with early-onset damage to the prefrontal cortex have a syndrome resembling psychopathy, with little or no empathy or remorse, a paucity of lasting social relationships, significant impairments on moral reasoning despite normal performance on intellectual tasks...."

    http://cogprints.org/1042/00/preston_de_waal.html

    http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050427_mind_readers.html

  • iStation

    I feel deep sorrow for the casualties by the hurricane.

    We should learn that we don't know when natural disasters happen. And if we know the warning, we should evacuate...

    Perplexed

  • WinInsider

    leighsword wrote:

    just  be curious about what the US government will do for help their people in this situation, and how much budget they spent for preventing future disaster?


    The reason for more frequent hurricanes and their increased severity is result of warming ocean waters.  The warmer then usual ocean gives more strength and fuels these monsters.  Prevention is cheep and simple: burn less fossil fuels and everything that goes with it.  Pressure your government to impose stronger environmental control laws, buy hybrid cars (the right type of hybrid car -- not the ones that just add more power to the engine), etc...  It is improbable to prevent nature from its course of action... but we could minimize negative effect that we have (reduce frequency, strength and severity).  If noting gets done about this, it will get even worse year after year.

    Best prevention is not to contribute in first place.

  • Tonatiúh

    Red5 wrote:

    The day mankind can prevent a hurricane, without upsetting the balance of nature, [...]


    I believe and hope, mostly than thinking in that way, that there is not so far such a day... Actually almost every piece of knowledge, technology and information from which would emerge the synergy for solutions on hurricane prevention is, respectively, in our minds, laboratories and hard disks... The only  pieces,  missed and urgently needed not only in such a type of disasters, but in every situation in which humanity as a whole suffers (like the one have settled as topic here), is wisdom and mercy... I am sure those two pieces are cheaper and already sheltered in our hearts.

    Tonatiúh

    Note: Can not be said the same about earthquakes or eruptions... But that day, when we human, have made such an achievement, the stars will shine and blink joyfully... And the clouds and winds will know they could flight in peace.

  • Andy H

    My thoughts are with those people who have been affected by katrina. People only have the clothes on their back and have lost everything and it’s difficult for me to sit here at home and not do anything. I sat awake last night thinking what could have been done from a technological point of view.

    It makes you ask yourself how we can better use technology to help in emergencies like this. At a time where we live in a society which has all this technology yet here we are with all of NO in a blackout as to whats going on.

    Phone lines are down, power is out and cell phone reception is dodgy at best. Are there any emerging technologies we can use? I know wi max was talked about allot but I haven’t seen anything about it since. It seems crazy that people who have cell phones can’t make a call. I know allot of new cell phones have wi fi capability, should we not look at making voip a standard for cell phones instead of gprs. It seems to me had there been the infrastructure in place to carry voip over things like wi max, which allows for a signal over long distances, would go a long way in helping people let know friends and family they are ok and keeping people informed. We live in a society where we rely on information and to be without it seems crazy.

    Also thought of an idea where we could implement a kind of peer to peer service between cells. If one cell came into contact with a signal then the others could use that through a peer to peer connection between phones. Also why not some sort of Bluetooth service between cells which allowed transferring news, emails, text etc.

    I just think as the software/hardware developing community we have to step up to the challenge of this. Hopefully this will provoke a thought and you will go away and think about this. I know i will

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