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Cats, dogs, Firefox, IE living together

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    Minh

    I just found this cool extension for FF, IE Tab. It lets you open up a page using IE as a tab inside FF.

    Note: for FF 1.0.x, you need to install two plugins. For 1.5 & above, just the one.

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    W3bbo

    Nifty Smiley

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    martin_lovi​ck

    why would you want to downgrade to IE having switched to Firefox?

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    IRenderable

    martin_lovick wrote:
    why would you want to downgrade to IE having switched to Firefox?

    If your a web developer then sometimes things that work one way in one browser will work diffrently then in another browser and this way you only need one browser open instead of 2.

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    Cairo

    martin_lovick wrote:
    why would you want to downgrade to IE having switched to Firefox?


    1. To be able to use poorly written web applications that require IE
    2. To test sites you're developing with IE

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    martin_lovi​ck

    in a perfect world the web should be pure and browser independent

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    W3bbo

    martin_lovick wrote:
    in a perfect world the web should be pure and browser independent


    I blame that not on Microsoft, but on the developers of the WYSIWYG tools.

    Heck, even Dreamweaver 8 /STILL/ references Nutscrape 4.0

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    Cannot​Resolve​Symbol

    Several high-profile web services require or work better on IE:  MSDN library (hierarchial navigation is easier), Windows Live (requires IE), Outlook Web Access is nicer on IE, pen input and Clipster here need IE, launch.yahoo.com needs IE to run....

    Most of these are Javascript incompatibilities or ActiveX and so can't be fixed by changing Firefox's user agent.

    And when you are surfing on the internet, IE tab makes the transition to Internet Explorer a whole lot easier... although I would like to see more integration with the browser chrome (addresses typed into the address bar open in Firefox even if it is already an IE tab, and the forward/back buttons don't seem to work quite right.)

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    Cairo

    A little off topic, but, the Version of Safari (and Webcore) released with the recent 10.4.3 Mac OS X update is Acid2-compliant.

    http://webkit.opendarwin.org/blog/

    So now there's officially a web browser out there that passes the Acid2 test.

    There's a number of groups and companies using the Webcore code now. Nokia is, I think. I wonder if anyone's working on a Win32 browser based on Webcore.



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    Cybermagell​an

    W3bbo wrote:
    martin_lovick wrote: in a perfect world the web should be pure and browser independent


    I blame that not on Microsoft, but on the developers of the WYSIWYG tools.

    Heck, even Dreamweaver 8 /STILL/ references Nutscrape 4.0


    True...I think the only reason that they kept going with their own thing was because everyone else played along...

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    DoomBringer

    martin_lovick wrote:
    in a perfect world the web should be pure and browser independent

    In my role as a web developer, I can say that nearly all web browsers suck. 

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    Cannot​Resolve​Symbol

    Cairo wrote:
    I wonder if anyone's working on a Win32 browser based on Webcore.


    I've looked into that, and the only (living) x86 port of WebCore is gtk-webcore, using the GTK+ API.  It's still in alpha, and the rendering engine is almost complete.  However, they don't have GTK/Win32 support yet, but they are working on it (look in the mailing lists).

    It doesn't look like there are any straight Win32 ports of WebCore still living (although I recall that I did find one dead project--or maybe that was to OpenStep... kind of a big difference).  But GTK-Webcore is still worth a look, once they get it stable on Windows and get some more of the basic functionality down (cookies, JavaScript, etc.) it should be a pretty functional browser, and maybe even a starting point for a completely Win32 based WebCore browser.

    [edit: oops, forgot my quote :O]

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    Born2Run

    DoomBringer wrote:
    martin_lovick wrote:in a perfect world the web should be pure and browser independent

    In my role as a web developer, I can say that nearly all web browsers suck. 
    Big Smile

    And this is NOT a perfect world, very far from it.

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    W3bbo

    Born2Run wrote:
    DoomBringer wrote:
    martin_lovick wrote:in a perfect world the web should be pure and browser independent

    In my role as a web developer, I can say that nearly all web browsers suck. 
    And this is NOT a perfect world, very far from it.


    Or is it?

    Not one to engage in philosophical debate on a developer's forum, but you could argue that the deterministic nature of the universe (straight to the heat-death) renders it a truely perfect universe.

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