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Updated Channel 9 MSDN Subscription Competition

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    Manip

    So this is an ASP.net competition, using ISS and developed on VS.net 2005 team, standard or express... That integrates with the C9 web-site somehow, but without any source code or exposed web-services... And somehow includes blogging....

    WOW! So I'm already out... Good luck to the two people that:

    1. Own a copy of Visual Studio 2005 (Team, Standard or Express -- Not Pro)
    2. Is already a IIS web developer
    3. Knows a great amount of detail about the C9 site (internal operations etc)
    4. And has a blog

    Heck why wait, I name Adam Kinney and W3bbo as the winners.

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    W3bbo

    Manip wrote:
    1. Own a copy of Visual Studio 2005 (Team, Standard or Express -- Not Pro)


    I own Pro

    Manip wrote:
    2. Is already a IIS web developer

    I'm not really, I'm more of an ASP.NET guy, I haven't dabbled much with ISAPI development.

    Manip wrote:
    3. Knows a great amount of detail about the C9 site (internal operations etc)

    Well, this is slightly true... to an extent.

    Manip wrote:
    4. And has a blog

    Which hasn't been updated since I put my "Wait for me to get an engine" post a good few months ago Smiley

    Manip wrote:
    Heck why wait, I name Adam Kinney and W3bbo as the winners.


    Well, since Adam Kinney is an MSFT employee, I think that somewhat disqualifies him.

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    dahat

    Thanks for making it official! I for look forward to this, especially as I’ve been wondering what I’d be doing with my extra free time when I graduate from my masters program in May.

    I’m forced to agree with Manip... integration with Channel 9 in any way other than screen scraping will difficult (assuming you aren’t using RSS) at best without a fair amount of additional documentation.

    I still think the ideas I was plotting with a co-worker recently is applicable thankfully, just much more difficult... so back to plotting I go while ignoring the professor in class tonight.

    One quick Q: So each team wins two MSDN invites... even if there is only one team member?

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    irascian

    While I hate to try and out-curmudgeon C9's biggest killjoy (that'll be you manip!)  I do think, Zeo, that you're going to be disappointed with the response to this, given the small number of people who are regulars here on the forums and the amount of time and effort people would need to invest to have a serious go at this competition.

    After all, it's not as if previous competitions have been seriously over-subscribed, and it was noticeable that even when the prize was really generous (like the PDC trip) the winner wasn't really a C9'er in that he's not really been seen on here since he won.

    If you want to "benefit the community" then you need to persuade everyone you know to blog about this prize and persuade Channel 9 to put a big "Win $10,000 in Microsoft bling" ad on the Home Page to attract more of an audience in. Personally I think the prize on offer is overhyped in terms of value - it's a one year MSDN Team System license and that can be got for signifcantly less than USD 10,000) If you do that you may get students or those out of work or "between jobs" on board giving it a serious go - the rest of us are too busy with real work that pays real bills to give it any kind of attempt, no matter how worthy we think the competition, or how generous the prize from a C9 community member.

    The "C9 community" will benefit if the end product is something we can all use, even if the winner takes the prize and then effectively disappears from C9, as I suspect will be the case, but you need to widen out the entrants for such a competition to far more than the few souls who hang out here on a regular basis and have the time to even consider doing something.

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    AndyC

    Manip wrote:

    1. Own a copy of Visual Studio 2005 (Team, Standard or Express -- Not Pro)
    2. Is already a IIS web developer
    3. Knows a great amount of detail about the C9 site (internal operations etc)
    4. And has a blog


    1. Express is free for crying out loud, how much of an excuse is that?
    2. No, an application world be fine, no IIS necessary
    3. Or can manage to decode an RSS feed (see sample screensaver in Express products)
    4. Set up a Spaces account and post a few words about your project every couple of weeks. Not exactly hard if you're keen enough to want to win.

    Ian's points are rather more valid, but the idea of encouraging students is a good one. If someone with on artistic bent can knock up a neat poster, I'll certainly stick a few up around at work.

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    W3bbo

    AndyC wrote:
    Ian's points are rather more valid, but the idea of encouraging students is a good one. If someone with on artistic bent can knock up a neat poster, I'll certainly stick a few up around at work.


    Can we all just agree that I'd win if we all entered and pass me the prize now to save time later? Smiley

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    dahat

    W3bbo wrote:
    Can we all just agree that I'd win if we all entered and pass me the prize now to save time later?
    HA! Over my dead and carpal tunnel ridden body! I have this thing you see... I’m a cheap (I need to watch my language). Because of it, I rather like free stuff, especially free stuff that I want and cannot afford which is why I entered the Code’n Your Way to the PDC and Halloween Costume contests... just as I will enter this one with every ability and time I can muster... after all, I need I need to improve my 50% victory ratio and show I’m not a sissy who can win by sewing but not by coding.

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    dahat

    Manip wrote:

    AndyC wrote: 1. Express is free for crying out loud, how much of an excuse is that?



    But you can't have express and pro installed at the same time, and Pro isn't allowed.



    Zeo did say Visual Studio family. I would expect that he accidentally left out Pro and will update the rules just as soon as he checks on this thread again, as well as when other potential issues or questions come up.

    Give it some time.

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    W3bbo

    dahat wrote:
    W3bbo wrote:Can we all just agree that I'd win if we all entered and pass me the prize now to save time later?
    HA! Over my dead and carpal tunnel ridden body! I have this thing you see... I’m a cheap (I need to watch my language). Because of it, I rather like free stuff, especially free stuff that I want and cannot afford which is why I entered the Code’n Your Way to the PDC and Halloween Costume contests... just as I will enter this one with every ability and time I can muster... after all, I need I need to improve my 50% victory ratio and show I’m not a sissy who can win by sewing but not by coding.


    Wanna team up then?

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    Manip

    AndyC wrote:
    1. Express is free for crying out loud, how much of an excuse is that?


    But you can't have express and pro installed at the same time, and Pro isn't allowed.

    AndyC wrote:
    2. No, an application world be fine, no IIS necessary


    Yes, you REALLY do... Look at this:
    Zeo wrote:
    Optional Elements
    Mobile device application using the .NET Compact Framework
    ASP .NET
    SQL Server


    Let me start off with a little story. I just handed in an assignment written in java. On the assignment sheet it says "Write your own feature" and then after it says - "Optionally use polymorphism and inheritance." But if you look at the mark scheme it clearly says that for top marks you must implement both in your feature.

    Same thing here. If it was truly optional then why list it at all, I mean why pick THOSE things to list as optional and not the infinite other 'optional' things you could do? That clearly should read "Optional but preferred"

    AndyC wrote:
    4. Set up a Spaces account and post a few words about your project every couple of weeks. Not exactly hard if you're keen enough to want to win.


    Uhh but what does that have to do with programming, or even documentation?

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    dahat

    W3bbo wrote:
    dahat wrote:
    W3bbo wrote: Can we all just agree that I'd win if we all entered and pass me the prize now to save time later?
    HA! Over my dead and carpal tunnel ridden body! I have this thing you see... I’m a cheap (I need to watch my language). Because of it, I rather like free stuff, especially free stuff that I want and cannot afford which is why I entered the Code’n Your Way to the PDC and Halloween Costume contests... just as I will enter this one with every ability and time I can muster... after all, I need I need to improve my 50% victory ratio and show I’m not a sissy who can win by sewing but not by coding.



    Wanna team up then?



    We can talk about it. Drop me a line when you get a chance. I can’t talk too much this evening I fear as I’ll be driving home and heading to bed whenever this class gets over... in about 2.5 hours.

    I do need to check with my co-worker first before I agree to anything to see if he has any interest in this as he was the source of the idea I’m rolling around in my head.

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    AndyC

    Manip wrote:


    But you can't have express and pro installed at the same time, and Pro isn't allowed.



    Um, yes you can. They happily install side by side. I have them both installed and running in front of me right now.

    Plus I suspect the omission of Pro is rather more accidental than intentional.

    Manip wrote:

    I just handed in an assignment written in java. On the assignment sheet it says "Write your own feature" and then after it says - "Optionally use polymorphism and inheritance." But if you look at the mark scheme it clearly says that for top marks you must implement both in your feature


    Don't confuse academia with the real world. In academia that means "This will get you a pass, but you have to do these to get a distinction", in the real world it means "here are a few suggestions of other things that might be cool." Plus there is quite a lot of time if you're a student - what better opportunity to learn a new skill like ASP.NET or SQL?

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    ZippyV

    - How can we integrate with C9 when we don't know anything about the C9 web api (not talking about RSS)?
    - There are too many deadlines: why do we need to register our participation first? Just give us 1 deadline: September 1th 2006 - Upload your application with a description. Maybe I'll start coding in July of August when I have the time.
    - Remove the blog requirement: we are developers, not Scobles. I'm sure the judges are not going to read all the blogs from the contestants. My application should stay secret so nobody else can steal my ideas.
    - Remove the 2 team members requirement, I want to work on my own.

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    W3bbo

    AndyC wrote:
    Plus there is quite a lot of time if you're a student - what better opportunity to learn a new skill like ASP.NET or SQL?


    When people ask me to teach them ASP.NET I tell them to ditch all those "ASP.NET Tutorial" websites out there.

    WebControls == Devilspawn (except Literal and PlaceHolder)
    In-page coding == Confusing
    ASP.NET2.0 compilation model == Whuteff

    I usually start with an overview of OOP and how each page is a class that inherits from the Page class, then (conventionally) the ASP.NET ISAPI compiles each page to a temporary assembly that OOP-inherits from the "codebehind" class; once this "clicks" in my friend's mind then they understand.

    ...but when you do it the "ASP101" way it's all just learning technical details without understanding how it really works.


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    ZippyV

    Lol @ W3bbo, if you just waited with releasing Insecticide for just a couple of months you could have won this contest. But that's too late now and you have to code something else... Tongue Out

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    W3bbo

    ZippyV wrote:
    Lol @ W3bbo, if you just waited with releasing Insecticide for just a couple of months you could have won this contest. But that's too late now and you have to code something else...


    I couldn't have won with it, it's written in 1.1/VS2003.

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    dahat

    W3bbo wrote:
    I couldn't have won with it, it's written in 1.1/VS2003.


    Do you really think it’s take 8 months to upgrade to 2.0?

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