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Teenagers with PC knowledge and no respect

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    RobertoOn​Line

    Every two weeks over the past three months I go over to my sister-in-laws
    to run ad-aware se,spybot,ewido,spywareBlaster and ccleaner and check on microsoft updates,also avast! AV and zonealarm free FW.
    Two weeks ago I installed " K9 Web protection" to keep the two 15 year old twins out of sites not suitable for them.  When I returned today I noticed the boys reloaded the original gateway CD's that came with their PC which  reloaded XP Sp1 and all original software on the computer because they wanted "k9 web protection "off their computer.

    So all my work over the last 3 months is out the window.

    They have a one parent mother and the only punishment she gave them was to stay off the PC for one month.

    May I have your comments?__________

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    Manip

    1. You aren't their mother[/parent]
    2. It isn't your responsibility to keep them off "unsuitable" sites (see #1)
    3. What content shouldn't a 15 year old see?
    4. Did you, or someone else, explain why you installed the blocking software; and that there was nothing wrong with thier PC or Internet connection?
    5. You should take the recovery CD home with you
    6. You are installing and doing WAY too much:


    A. Install Updates (Use an SP2 CD)
    B. Install Microsoft Defender
    C. Install Free Anti-Virus Solution
     D. Configure the SP2 firewall

    - No need to scan. Just download the anti-virus test file every couple of months and read though the process list when you go around. No need for three or more anti-spyware products on the system concurrently.

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    Jason Cox

    First off like Manip said, you should have installed Windows Defender Beta 2 (or if you put Spyware Blaster a few months back, Microsoft Antispyware Beta 1).
    Tongue Out

    All your work should take about 2 hours to redo, SP2 taking the longest and the post SP2 updates taking maybe 30 minutes max (assuming she's on broadband), then install some other software and take the recovery CD home. Then disable CD-boot in BIOS and set a BIOS password, they probaly dont know about the CMOS jumper yet...

    To be honest I wouldnt install the filtering software. I'm more for the parent doing some parenting instead of the software doing it. Dont block where the kids go online, instead record it in a way where deleting the history and cookiee wont help. Maybe get a router with filtering software built in, I hate reccomending Netgear, but they do it. The kids erased it once they will find a way around it again, all they have to do is search how to bypass filtering software and they'll be around it faster then you can say 'RSS'.

    If you do reinstall the filtering software however, three words, Google Image Search. Make sure that's blocked.

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    jaker

    I can see both sides of the argument here, and I'm not sure which side to choose. One side sees that you're out trying to keep these kids at least somewhat safe from the deep dark recesses of the internet. However the other side of me realizes that it's the parent's job here. Perhaps you should express your concerns to the parent(s)..?

    On a side note, I have to say I'm guilty of this crime in my childhood. Back when I was 10 my dad had a hard time keeping me off the computer (Factoid: not much has changed since then). His solution was to have a BIOS password so I couldn't get onto Windows. One night I sneaked downstairs to the basement, opened up the case, and guessed where the CMOS battery jumper was (at this time I had heard such a thing existed, so I thought maybe I'd get lucky). Fortunately for me I found the correct jumper. About a week later my dad was curious as to why the password "disappeared." He thought perhaps it was a dead battery, but I finally admitted about a week later.
    He still finds that story humorous.

    Why did I go to such efforts just to get onto that old 233MHz Pentium machine? Not internet, as we had a modem with a password that I didn't know. It was no other than the educational game "Where in the world is Carmen Sandiago?" (the really old DOS/Win95-on-a-CD version).

    Ahh..great times. Now I feel old. Expressionless Tongue Out

    ~Jaker

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    DoomBringer

    Well, I could see several ways to completely lock the machine down: password protect the BIOS, change boot order (no more reinstalls from CD ROM), give them low rights, etc etc.
    Ultimately though, the computer belongs to the parents, and you have to follow their wishes.  If they want this "K9 web protection" you should install it.  I mean, the kids ought to know that this is a rule of their parents...

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    IRenderable

    I am 15 and I would laugh at you if you tried to stop me from looking at what sites I wanted too. Though not installing SP2 shows they dont actually have that much PC knowledge...

    I have seen the Man Who Stretches Certain Parts Of His Anotomy Very Wide and the Girl Who Resemble A Tub. I am fine so far (at least I think I am).

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    DoomBringer

    IRenderable wrote:
    I am 15 and I would laugh at you if you tried to stop me from looking at what sites I wanted too. Though not installing SP2 shows they dont actually have that much PC knowledge...

    I have seen the Man Who Stretches Certain Parts Of His Anotomy Very Wide and the Girl Who Resemble A Tub. I am fine so far (at least I think I am).

    Sure, most of the stuff really isn't going to hurt you if you're relatively well-adjusted to start with, but since you're living under someone else's legal guardianship, you have to follow their rules.  And if their rules include "you must use this software," then you'd better follow it, unless that rule is something absolutely wrong (we're talking beyond the pale).
    I probably could keep you in a well defined box, given certain assumptions.  I don't know how much you're willing to much about with trying to break the BIOS password (sometimes trivial, sometimes not), so if I changed the boot order, locked BIOS under a password, and gave you limited rights, you probably wouldn't be able to do much.  Of course, this rests on the earlier assumption about BIOS knowledge...

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    Manip

    In all the time I've been using the internet there is only ONE thing I've ever seen that 'really' disturbed me... That being the video of the hostage beheading that was circulating for a very short period (don't ask).
     
    Of course there have been plenty of things I've seen that have annoyed me (beatings, abuses, lies, etc) but that one video was the only one that made me wish I hadn't have seen it.

    Yes when I was younger I did look at some 'bad' pictures of the ladies; but what guy can honestly say that when he was younger he never did? Of course it is not something I still take the time to do (or should I say waste the time).

    I don't think seeing such pictures (porn) when your a teenager really 'damages' you, or at least not me. It might slightly skew how people view sex (sex for sex, not relationship orientated). But guys kind of have a messed up conception of sex at that age with or without viewing porn.
     
    If I was a parent I'd unblock the internet for any child 12 and up. Teens should be able to explore and learn at their own pace... If they feel they want to look at some adult pictures then so be it; there are worse things. All the parent has to do is make sure they stay in touch with reality and don't let it go too far (although I'm not sure 'porn addiction' is a real condition).

    On a side note; what if a teen wants to read up on STDs and contraceptives? Will this software block that too?



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    Steve411

    1. Make the mothers user account only accesible through Ctrl + Alt + Del
    2. Create individual power-user accounts for the twins with cookies set to off and other security restrictions.
    3. Install linux <just kidding!>

    - Steve

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    Chadk

    So, you tried to limit the kids away from some sites?
    YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!!!!
    I just turned 15 myself, a few weeks ago.
    Theres no way you should, that brutal, away from sites.
    When something is forbidden in that way, it gets more interresting to have a look at.
    The only way to learn teenagers rules, is to make them understand that some things, you just dont do, and are illegal.   

    Internet filters a made for kids, that would begin crying if they ends up on a page containing stuff they would not like to see.

    If it can be run, you can crack it. Remember? Teenagers arent stupid.

    If it was my unkel/parrents whatever, i would just laugh, very much.

    Your only chance to stop them from doing it, is to log everything, and show them the logs, if theres something that you dont like.
    Embrassing the kids is the best way.

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    DoomBringer

    Manip wrote:
    In all the time I've been using the internet there is only ONE thing I've ever seen that 'really' disturbed me... That being the video of the hostage beheading that was circulating for a very short period (don't ask). Of course there have been plenty of things I've seen that have annoyed me (beatings, abuses, lies, etc) but that one video was the only one that made me wish I hadn't have seen it. Yes when I was younger I did look at some 'bad' pictures of the ladies; but what guy can honestly say that when he was younger he never did? Of course it is not something I still take the time to do (or should I say waste the time). I don't think seeing such pictures ((I need to watch my language)) when your a teenager really 'damages' you, or at least not me. It might slightly skew how people view sex (sex for sex, not relationship orientated). But guys kind of have a messed up conception of sex at that age with or without viewing (I need to watch my language). If I was a parent I'd unblock the internet for any child 12 and up. Teens should be able to explore and learn at their own pace... If they feel they want to look at some adult pictures then so be it; there are worse things. All the parent has to do is make sure they stay in touch with reality and don't let it go too far (although I'm not sure '(I need to watch my language) addiction' is a real condition).On a side note; what if a teen wants to read up on STDs and contraceptives? Will this software block that too?
    The Budd Dwyer video is a bit, well, graphic and intense.  Snuff films ain't pretty.

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    Cider

    DoomBringer wrote:
    The Budd Dwyer video is a bit, well, graphic and intense.  Snuff films ain't pretty.


    I disagree.  If people see Budd's public suicide and then read the back story, I think it makes interesting viewing.  Ultimately, anyone who does cannot but feel an amount of sympathy for him.  I'm certainly not justifying suicide, as I feel it the most selfish thing someone can do, but Budd Dwyer is oddly inspiring because of someone who stuck to his convictions.

    In the end of the day, what he did will rank up there in images of humanity with others, many who we cannot name.  People like the guy who stood in front of the tanks in Tiannamen Square, the naked girl running from explosions in Vietnam, the images of Firemen on the 11th September 2001, the pictures of the starving children in Ethopia in Michael Beurk's report in 1984.  Restricting access to children to see this sort of thing or more spurious things like adult pictures means only one thing - they have to look at it later on.  I think most parents should get this thing dealt with while their children are still at an age where they can advise them.

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    Khamul

    Heh, I'm 15 years old, and I'm not about to go into what I do and don't do on the internet, but the simple fact is you can't really shelter us that easily. There's always (more than) one kid at school who will be more brutal than anything you will ever find on the internet anyway (OK, not necessarily true, but not many kid's actually go looking for pictures of gruesome death (and worse) out of curiosity).

    I laugh at shallow attempts to shelter teenagers from the real world which they're somehow supposed to be prepared for when they leave the school yard.

    In my experience, those with tighter leashes only try harder - so in my humble opinion, don't bother.

    And without being egotistical I could easily bypass anything you threw at me without any human deterence. Tongue Out

    If you really think you want to do something about, though, then monitoring internet access is the best way. You'll never stop them with technology, just embarass them with the logs.

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    balupton

    Wow....

    If they know how to re-install windows, don't bother.

    Like manip said, they are 15, what sites shouldnt they be seeing... They've most probably done way 'worse' than what they could be seeing on the 'bad' sites anyway.

    Anyway if the kids know whats good and bad (been taught their moralls) you don't have anything to worry about.

    And everything else that manip said.

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    Khamul

    balupton wrote:
    Wow....

    If they know how to re-install windows, don't bother.



    Don't say "Wow" like that. I'm 15 and I'm learning Assembly.

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    Tom Servo

    That's what you get for not changing the boot order and putting a password on the BIOS setup.

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    W3bbo

    RobertoOnLine wrote:
    Every two weeks over the past three months I go over to my sister-in-laws
    to run ad-aware se,spybot,ewido,spywareBlaster and ccleaner and check on microsoft updates,also avast! AV and zonealarm free FW.
    Two weeks ago I installed " K9 Web protection" to keep the two 15 year old twins out of sites not suitable for them.  When I returned today I noticed the boys reloaded the original gateway CD's that came with their PC which  reloaded XP Sp1 and all original software on the computer because they wanted "k9 web protection "off their computer.

    So all my work over the last 3 months is out the window.

    They have a one parent mother and the only punishment she gave them was to stay off the PC for one month.

    May I have your comments?


    You're evil.

    Surely you should be encouraging the twin's attempts to "learn and explore"? If you feel you've got a good reason for them not to do stuff, explain it to them fully rather than being dogmatic.

    For all my life I've surfed without "protection" (since age 8) and I've turned out fine. My guess is that you're some kind of "soccer-mom"-type, a control-freak, the twins secretly hate you.

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