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Teenagers with PC knowledge and no respect

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    IRenderable

    DoomBringer wrote:

    Sure, most of the stuff really isn't going to hurt you if you're relatively well-adjusted to start with, but since you're living under someone else's legal guardianship, you have to follow their rules.

    And my Uncle isn't my parent. The mom is probally pissed that they reformatted then anything else, if I lost all my parents stuff by reformatting they would be pissed off too.  Thankfully though my parents trust me and I don't have to deal with this stuff.


    DoomBringer wrote:

    I probably could keep you in a well defined box, given certain assumptions.  I don't know how much you're willing to much about with trying to break the BIOS password (sometimes trivial, sometimes not), so if I changed the boot order, locked BIOS under a password, and gave you limited rights, you probably wouldn't be able to do much.  Of course, this rests on the earlier assumption about BIOS knowledge...


    All of the computers I have used the bios password gets cleared when you flash the bios which is as simple as removing the battery and putting it back in most of the time (Though that weird compaq my cousin had you had to do some odd things...).

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    Cider

    W3bbo wrote:
    You're evil.


    No, twins are almost always evil.  Y'know, the sort where one kills and they have ti let them away with it because no one can tell the difference between the two.

    Well, evil, or y'know "hello, my name is  Svetlana and this is my twin sister Ivana.  Would you like us to get naked?" etc etc.

    W3bbo wrote:
    For all my life I've surfed without "protection" (since age 8) and I've turned out fine.


    !!!!

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    Angus

    I would say that you should monitor where they go, then, if they want to go on "adult" sites you should go to the local "adult" video rental and get everything you can; then they should have to sit and watch everything. The same can be done fro anytype of internet surfing that you disapporve of; once they have seen a lot of one thing wouldn't they just get bored of it and not really want to see it again?

    Also, if it really concerns you then you should give the list of websites they go on to the mother; I know that this is probably the worst thing that could happen to them, but if you really don't want them going on "unsuitable" websites then it is an option.

    They will hate you after doing that though Tongue Out

    Angus Higgins

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    RobertoOn​Line

    http://www.fbi.gov/publications/pguide/pguidee.htm

    The Mother of the twins is concerned about what she sees in their cookies ,data they download and the on-line chats.

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    Cybermagell​an

    hehe....per chance are they AOL members?

    http://daol.aol.com/safetycenter

    And go home...that's it.

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    W3bbo

    RobertoOnLine wrote:
    http://www.fbi.gov/publications/pguide/pguidee.htm

    The Mother of the twins is concerned about what she sees in their cookies ,data they download and the on-line chats.


    Since when was the FBI a trustworthy source of information about computerators?

    Once again, government-sponsored scaremongering, many people don't even know what cookies are other than "bad things" because of sites like these. And you really think 15 yearold males are at risk from "chat rooms"? I've been on IRC since I was 13 and I've never been ássraped by a paedophile at the local shopping mall. If your children know how to reformat the HDD, I think they're smart enough to know not to hang out in "#teen-chat-lol" or something.

    I recommend you read this article instead.

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    the-​laughing-man

    I was raised with the internet, my Dad always let me surf unprotected and I'd like to say I turned out pretty darn well - even if I do say so myself.

    You'll do more harm by blocking these things than you will letting the kids roll with it. The best I'd advise is maybe telling their mum to keep an eye on their surfing history/keep a distanced eye on them while they're online - just walk over to the PC every so often "what you up to then? Big Smile" faking interest is always fun for both parties.

    Kids learn much faster and much more from sticking their hand in a fire than they do being told "don't stick your hand in the fire" Wink

    The anti-virus/anti-spyware is no bad thing mind you Big Smile

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    Khamul

    W3bbo wrote:


    Surely you should be encouraging the twin's attempts to "learn and explore"? If you feel you've got a good reason for them not to do stuff, explain it to them fully rather than being dogmatic.



    He is, lest does he know. You ban anything, prevent access to one little drop of the information that is on the web and they will want to know about it. If you block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Algebra they will want to know what's on that site.

    W3bbo wrote:


    For all my life I've surfed without "protection" (since age 8) and I've turned out fine.



    Ahem... Wink

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    Leading​Stoker

    RobertoOnLine wrote:
    Every two weeks over the past three months I go over to my sister-in-laws
    to run ad-aware se,spybot,ewido,spywareBlaster and ccleaner and check on microsoft updates,also avast! AV and zonealarm free FW.
    Two weeks ago I installed " K9 Web protection" to keep the two 15 year old twins out of sites not suitable for them.  When I returned today I noticed the boys reloaded the original gateway CD's that came with their PC which  reloaded XP Sp1 and all original software on the computer because they wanted "k9 web protection "off their computer.

    So all my work over the last 3 months is out the window.

    They have a one parent mother and the only punishment she gave them was to stay off the PC for one month.

    May I have your comments?__________



    What folks are failing to see is the mom looks like she wanted Roberto to install it (otherwise why would she punish them, certainly not on a in-law's suggestion). She's trying to keep them off the bad sites (and kids there are much worse things online than p0rn and death -- like being a real actor in a play that features both).

    Since the kids are into cicumnavigating the most common way to keep them clean, a heavier hammer is needed. One they won't need to laugh anymore about. Wink

    Not only password protect their computer via BIOS (and saving them from frying it from overclocking, to keep up with other juveniles that think parents money grows on trees); put the computer in the kitchen where mom can see what they're doing. Then set the computer (if it allows it) via BIOS to be on from certain times. If Johnny and Jeffery wish to take out the battery to by pass the BIOS, have mom lock the computer up completely.

    Parents have ways to deny access if they're really interest, no matter how junior thinks he clever.

    As for disrespect: kids laughing about getting around such things don't have much respect not only to their parent(s), themselves. Parents have something a 15 year-old doesn't have -- a responsibility by law to keep them safe and out of trouble until they're 18.

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    geekling

    It might be easier -- stay with me on this one -- to talk to the kids and discuss the issue of pornography and violence rather than cover their eyes and hope they don't peek around your fingers.

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    Leading​Stoker

    It works only to a point. If parents have the skills to talk with youngsters (most don't), and cultural/socio/religious beliefs don't interfere.

    It's not always as simple as just talking to kids about the issues. Sometimes it's necessary to block access, especially when Curious George gets too carried away -- like downloading p0rn, and pictures that will psychological traumatize a 20 year police or military veteran, even after a multi-year talk over the issues.

    Peer pressure is horrid today (where in my day it was with cars and fashion, maybe some pot smoking and drinking), today it's with who can tilliate the most legally or illegally with cars, fashion, hard drugs and pub crawling at 15.

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    DoomBringer

    geekling wrote:
    It might be easier -- stay with me on this one -- to talk to the kids and discuss the issue of pornography and violence rather than cover their eyes and hope they don't peek around your fingers.

    QFE.  Parents must discuss these things... and why they've implemented restrictions.

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    W3bbo

    LeadingStoker wrote:
    like downloading p0rn, and pictures that will psychological traumatize a 20 year police or military veteran, even after a multi-year talk over the issues.


    You can get desensitized to this sort of stuff, the stuff on Ogrish, Rotten, PoE, Goatse.... none of that stuff really bothers me.

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    JBTWeb​Hosting

    You're not their parent and I agree with the so called 15 year claimant, don't stop them just bust them with logs.

    LOL Big Smile

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    TimP

    While it's unlikely that they would happen to be running a Linux router, a friend of mine setup a filtering program on his firewall called Dansguardian to filter websites. This has several obvious advantages because no matter what they do to the Windows box, they won't be able to circumvent the filtering. As long as the router is sufficiently locked down (not hard), the only way to take it out would be to pull the plug on the system which would kill the network anyways.

    Obviously there is a little bit more work and money involved in setting this up, so it depends on how far the parent wants to go.

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    Leading​Stoker

    W3bbo wrote:
    You can get desensitized to this sort of stuff, the stuff on Ogrish, Rotten, PoE, Goatse.... none of that stuff really bothers me.


    Only a sociopath. A sociopath is someone devoid of feeling of another, and wishes to do only things to satisfy himself, regardless of what he kills, maims, steals and ruins to achieve it.

    When someone no longer feels for another, they no longer are sane (i.e., sociopathy is technically called Antisocial Personality Disorder), or a good member of society.

    Don't ever lose your sensitivity to death, let alone vice. That's what makes people human.

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    ddewbofh

    A clarifiction is in order methinks, a socipath doesn't feel...period. And they function well in society, there are a lot of sociopaths in the upper ranks of society (lawyers, upper managment and so on).

    Sociopaths can also appear to be caring and emotional, it's just a matter of adopting oneself to the situation.

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    geekling

    LeadingStoker:

    Humans are inquisitive by nature: trying to sneakily deny access to something only drives the competitve streak that makes us crack open computers and break out SoftICE.

    I mean, if you're hiding it, its obviously got to be important, right? Now its something dangerous and filled with mystique.

    Most of this stems from the fact that some people hope that by restricting access to something, they won't need to get into a socially awkward conversation about what they're trying to hide. Obviously this only delays the inevitable.

    There's no high-level social skills needed to talk to them thar youngin's. All you have to do is be able to communicate with another person and everything will be good.

    Now, if your kid happens to level a better argument for allowing access to whatever you're trying to hide, your problems have escalated way beyond any kind of help a forum could provide. Smiley

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