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Allen - Gates Controversy Revisited

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    ZippyV

    Boring articles.

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    rjdohnert

    The Cringley article was very amusing.  What it has to do with actual Anti-Trust issues I dont know, the only thing the lawyer from Iowa is going to do with the information is do like Google tried to do, distort fact and waste time with a history lesson.

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    julianbenja​min

    ChrisA wrote:
    rjdohnert wrote: The Cringley article was very amusing.  What it has to do with actual Anti-Trust issues I dont know, the only thing the lawyer from Iowa is going to do with the information is do like Google tried to do, distort fact and waste time with a history lesson.


    What it will do is show the judge what a bunch of crooks Ballmer and Gates are.  The EU is going to decimate Microsoft and the Iowa will have to pick up whatever pieces are left.  My prediction is by 2008 there will be no Microsoft and hopefully Bill Gates will be in jail where he deserves to be.


    Can we quote you on that?  I recall predictions being made before that Microsoft will be made to split up and such by 2002 or so.  So far, no dice.

    If you really want crooks, look no further than Apple, who has closed off it's system and will not allow others to make one, or even allow it's OS to run (and be supported by Apple) on any other machine.  And this is an OS that's based on BSD.  Where's the hue and cry over that?

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    ddewbofh

    Didn't you hear? They've stopped releasing the kernel source for x86, probably because of piracy. In other words, to make it harder to get running on ordinary x86 boxes.

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    ddewbofh

    Cool, so they only closed off their own parts? Like efi-support, drivers and so on?

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    PaoloM

    ChrisA wrote:
    Its a far cry from planning for a mans death and wanting to know how to profit from it.

    I would guess you don't know anything about Steve Jobs' history, right?

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    julianbenja​min

    ChrisA wrote:
    ddewbofh wrote: Cool, so they only closed off their own parts? Like efi-support, drivers and so on?


    No they didnt, now quit getting off topic.  This topic deals with Gates and Allen. 


    "What it will do is show the judge what a bunch of crooks Ballmer and Gates are."

    But you changed the topic to how Gates and Ballmer are crooks.  If anyone's getting off topic, it's you.

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    julianbenja​min

    PaoloM wrote:
    ChrisA wrote: Its a far cry from planning for a mans death and wanting to know how to profit from it.

    I would guess you don't know anything about Steve Jobs' history, right?


    But Steve Jobs doesn't work for Microsoft; hence, innocent by disassociation (if that's even a word).

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    julianbenja​min

    blatzcoder wrote:
    I thought the Cringely article was pretty interesting. Again, as someone else said, how it will apply to an anti-trust suit is another thing. Microsoft basically believes they can outsmart everybody rather than actually winning a legal battle fairly. What's new. But you love them don't you!


    Yes I do.  I send them flowers everyday.

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    PaoloM

    blatzcoder wrote:
    Microsoft basically believes they can outsmart everybody rather than actually winning a legal battle fairly.

    I don't understand. You want Microsoft not to be smart? Why?

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    PaoloM

    blatzcoder wrote:
    A more interesting discussion would be whether Microsoft's general lack of morality has brought down the quality of the software field in general.

    Yes, it would be much more interesting than your usual crap.

    Let's see...

    Which companies do you believe are "moral"?

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    dahat

    PaoloM wrote:
    ChrisA wrote: Its a far cry from planning for a mans death and wanting to know how to profit from it.

    I would guess you don't know anything about Steve Jobs' history, right?


    Related to this history of Steve Jobs, I highly recommend reading the book The Second Coming of Steve Jobs, it really helps you realize just what an evil, and yet brilliant man he is.

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    dahat

    blatzcoder wrote:
    Microsoft basically believes they can outsmart everybody rather than actually winning a legal battle fairly.


    Fairly?

    All’s fair in love and war.

    Lord knows the capitalist system and the courts are battlegrounds for epic warfare!

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    PaoloM

    blatzcoder wrote:
    PaoloM wrote: Which companies do you believe are "moral"?
    Not many, but out of the bunch of software companies out there, I'd say Microsoft is one of the worst. And you are proud of that? You want to associate with that?

    You clearly have problems in understanding english, so I'll ask again:

    Which companies do you believe are "moral"?

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    dahat

    blatzcoder wrote:
    PaoloM wrote: Which companies do you believe are "moral"?

    Not many, but out of the bunch of software companies out there, I'd say Microsoft is one of the worst. And you are proud of that? You want to associate with that?



    Your argument is worthless and is truly nothing but an opinion... it’s like arguing that coke is better than pepsi because one tastes better to you. Fine... except for you aren’t even offering any supporting evidence other than “I think”, no kind of ‘because” that has any level of validity.

    Listen to your doctor and quit trolling Beernutz... just like you said you were going to. Oh yea... I forgot, you have 0 credibility here as virtually nothing of what you say is factual.

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    PaoloM

    blatzcoder wrote:
    Reread the post. I said "not many". That means "there is not a lot of them". Examples? Probably some smaller software houses who are seriously trying to do some innovation out there.

    I want names. How hard could it be? Just give me five names.
    blatzcoder wrote:
    How about any of the companies you have worked for?

    What does this has to do with anything? Expressionless
    blatzcoder wrote:
    Are you saying they were not moral?

    No, you are saying that. And now I want proof that ALL the companies I worked for were "not moral".
    blatzcoder wrote:
    My point was that I think Microsoft has made it worse for everybody by trying to sabotage anything that is a threat.

    Well, that's your opinion and that's just fine and dandy. I was just wondering if you could back up that claim with a counterexample of some sorts or if it was just your usual FUD.
    blatzcoder wrote:
    Sure you say that's just "business"

    I said that? When?

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    BenZilla

    ChrisA wrote:
    Apple and Red Hat are the most moral companies on earth.  Novell is moral, most if not all Open Source developers are not crooks, theives and backstabbers.


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