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    scobleizer

    Scoble's comments on his blog are down. So, he's linking here while he figures it all out.

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    Manip

    You know when Scoble talks about himself in the third person Manip thinks he might be insane. Wink

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    HellSnoopy

    Indeed , it's scary Smiley

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    scobleizer

    Oh, oh, you people are onto me. Smiley

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    eddwo

    Your banner isn't showing up on any page other than your front page.

    It works fine on
    http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/
    But on
    http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2004/08/21.html
    it starts looking for
    http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2004/08/heading.jpg
    and doesn't find it.

    It even says so in your HTML
    "<!-- FIX ME: you will need to fix the url for this to wherever it belongs -->
    <img src="heading.jpg" alt="Scobleizer: Microsoft Geek Blogger" width="730" height="114">"

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    scobleizer

    eddwo: thanks! I'm going to need to republish my site to fix that. Will do shortly.

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    eddwo

    Is there any official API for retrieving comments? I know theres an ATOM spec for specifying the comment url and sending them but I've not seen one for retrieving them.

    If there is one, what are the RSS readers that support it? I've never really got into using an RSS reader because I always want to read the comments, and that means I have to visit the website anyway.

    Also I'm using the new Firefox with LiveMarks, which kinda gives me the best of both worlds.

    If the idea is to promote rich clients instead of web interfaces that definatly something I would look for.

    I'd like a Channel9 rich client, a Slashdot rich client etc, but without resorting to screen scraping.

     

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    skirks

    Robert: Remove the counting script from the comment link and watch the difference: Orginal-- comments [] New-- comments This will preserve the link, but prevent the user's browser from requesting the javascript that counts the comments. You get the comments still, just not the number. We already have determined the problem and are working on a solution to this. There should be something ready in the next 60 days or less. Steve Kirks Product Manager, Radio UserLand http://steve.userland.com/

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    blowdart

    But part of your whole blog outreach "posts" have been about how commenting is valuable,

    One of the things that lifts MS blogs above simple PR fluff is commenting, feedback, the fact that you can * or moan to a person, rather than an anonymous feedback/wishlist email.

    As much as your radioland URL is well known, it's been awfully slow recently, and lack of abilities like search (no, Robert, google isn't the same as having a little search box on your site), plus the awful "popup" commenting, maybe it is time to leave.

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    eddwo

    I read your blog on my Mobile Phone on the train home from work. Its a Nokia 6600 with Opera.
    The comment counting javascript never worked on that anyway. It used to show "comments[]" but more recently it has been "comments[0]" even if there were loads of comments.

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    skirks

    There's isn't an API for the UserLand comment server at this point, but Scoble's RSS 2.0 feed contains links for comments (when enabled).  If your reader supports it, you'll get a comment link.

    Steve Kirks
    Product Manager, Radio UserLand
    http://steve.userland.com/

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    RyJones

    If trackbacks work with comments disabled, I'd go ahead and disable comments.

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    eddwo

    Thanks Steve.

    I think what I'm looking for is Chris Sells <wfw:commentRSS/> tag. That way you get the comments back in the same way as the RSS feed itself.

    I've been using XMLSPY a lot recently and I really like the way it shows a graphical representation of an XSD schema. You see an element item of a complextype and you can expand it to see the child elements, and its child elements etc. It makes it really easy to visualise the schema. You can keep expanding nodes in all directions and it never suffers performance wise.

    Tree view of content model

    Visual Studio tries to do a similar thing but it doesn't look nearly as elegant and gets really slow.

    I'd love to see an RSS reader that did a similar thing with Feed->Comments/Trackbacks->Commenters Feed->Comments->.. etc.

    So you could visualise the fundamental interconnectedness of all things. Wink

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    LazyCoder

    I think this blurs the line between your personal blog and the company sponsored community site.

    I can't speak to you using company assets for your personal use, since you've mentioned before that you aren't paid to blog per se, that's something for your boss and bosses boss to work out and doesn't matter to me or anyone not working at Microsoft.  It's not like Microsoft isn't already sponsoring space for employees personal use (e.g. blogs.msdn.com), but creating a thread in a community site for your own use seems a little out of bounds to me. Meaning that it seems odd to me.

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    scobleizer

    Scott: yeah, I probably shouldn't have blurred that line, but I needed a way to have feedback going while I figure this out.

    Steve: thanks for the help. I'll try them out. My site is in the middle of a republish, so gotta wait until that's done first.

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    RyJones

    eddwo wrote:


    We're going to start work on grafting graphviz onto dottext for the pbj site (http://pbj.ctlt.wsu.edu/) to provide this at least one level deep.

    When it's actually done, who knows?

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    orcmid

    Hmm.  Well, the "remember me" on Channel9 works nicely (though looking in the page title to know I'm logged on is still really weird), so it is a little easier to comment here. 

    First, I like being able to comment. Trackbacks have to be done by hand from Blogger and that includes finding wherever the trackback link is hidden on your page, something I despair of figuring out right now.  So all this auto-discovery is great, as long as I have a functioning auto-discoverer, which I don't.  So, one of my principles is people should be able to comment manually, just like people should be able to view a page without CSS, JavaScript, or enabling any mobile code.  That contributes to accessibility and also accomodates problems with security settings that might not be under the visitor's control.

    So the easiest way to trackback for me is to comment and plant a URL in the comment.  And also, sometimes I'm reading at your site and I just want to comment about something that it doesn't make much sense to blog about -- it would be way out of context in my place instead of at your place where the conversation is situated.  (Right now I'm blog deprived, but that's because I'm being anal about recovering from a breakdown in a way where I have a better way to handle the next breakdown.  So I go on and on because you gave me a place to type ...)

    I didn't know comments showed in your feed.  In my NewsGator they don't show up, though a link to comments shows up.  The comments link is a little weird.  For Scoblizer the comments link goes to a crudely-formatted disembodied list that is at a different URL altogether.  Have you had your NewsGator XSL-formatting file customized?

    Here's something interesting.  If you hadn't posted about the problem of comments on Scobleizer, I wouldn't have noticed that there is a combined systems-coherence and confirmable-experience situation here.  Your experience of feeds (even your own) is different than mine, and I could have gone on for some time without knowing that.  It makes it tough to consider the usability of a particular approach when it is very difficult to know how different someone else's experience might be, without consideration of their personal preferences and styles at all.  In particular, neither party might notice that something is off, or in discussing it, one end might have no idea what the party at the other end is talking about.  Sometimes, you have to swap screen shots to have a clue.

    PS: Finally, comments over here don't work for me.  I don't mean about the propriety of it.  You get to work that out. I mean that the comment lists go nuts and they have no apparent structure at all.  Put another way, there may be a structure, but I haven't come up with a conceptual model for it. Reminds me of when I gave up Ecco (which I never really figured out) for Outlook (which made more sense to me most of the time, though I still want to know why I can't put a follow-up on a note when I can on a message in the same folder). 

    AHH!  How about a comments-wiki for Scoble!  Then we can run amok commenting on each other's comments. Heh.

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    Karim

    Manip wrote:
    You know when Scoble talks about himself in the third person Manip thinks he might be insane. Wink


    LOL!

    Uh, does "he" refer to Scoble, or to Manip in the third person?  LOL  Methinks this is ambiguous... but we are not amused.

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