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    die-Sel



    The PS3 will come standard with a functional http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0#" class="iAs"> Linux http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0#" class="iAs"> Operating System as well as compilers and other tools to take advantage of homebrew software and prospective upstart developers. Of course, this also means the PS3 will be compatible with just about every USB device on the planet!

    Article Here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060511/ps3.htm
    Discussion Here:
    http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0

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    Jason Cox

    Can anyone say they arent surprised at this?

    (On a side note, I wonder how well Vista would preform on the PS3)

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    Sabot

    die-Sel wrote:
    

    The PS3 will come standard with a functional http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0#"> Linux http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0#"> Operating System as well as compilers and other tools to take advantage of homebrew software and prospective upstart developers. Of course, this also means the PS3 will be compatible with just about every USB device on the planet!

    Article Here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060511/ps3.htm
    Discussion Here: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0


    Sony needs cash and lots of it, there will be some kind of revenue model in their somewhere trust me. Sony aren't going to give anything away they can't afford. Fully Linux isn't going to write decent games? Just gives the machine access to lots of stuff it wouldn't normally have and a legion of free sheep developers that have been pre-programmed that their mission is to pss-off Microsoft.

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    littleguru

    Would be cool if they could do something like this with the Xbox. Just a little bit.

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    die-Sel

    What i wonder is, if it has any part of linux in it, an di mean any part of linux under the GPL then source code will have to be released.

    Sounds like good news for hackers/crackers and homebrew fans.

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    BuckyBit

    the only reason to buy ps3's is to build reasonably cheap gigaflop-clusters.

    universities did it with ps2-s.

    I am not really convinced that - yet again - another "Linux"- thread-trolling on these boards is really needed.

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    phreaks

    What is Sony's response to XBL?
    I doubt it will be anywhere as good as XBL.

    I Have learned enough from experience about sony to be very cautious about any products/services I purchase from them.

    Anyway, like I said, if Sony really want to compete, they need a good answer to XBL along with their console.

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    die-Sel

    The SDK for the PS3 look like ols VHS Players, very big, bulky and heavey with a load of "toggle switches" on the front what ever they are for.

    Are they spending the money on a development team to write a linux distro from scratch for the PS3 or are they just converting an off the shelf one to run the the Cell CPUs.

    This one is confusing me, I just dont see were they are heading with this. If they want to stop pirated games from been played on it then why have an open source o/s. It will take no time for people to get round it since they have the source right in front of them.

    Sony have lost der minds, 1st a $600 price tag, then news of the cheaper system having loads of missing stuff, then the controller copying cat from the Wii and now this.

    I am just looking forward for my 360 and HDTV to come at the weekend Smiley

    EDIT: the early SDK:
    http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/ps3sdk.jpg

    The PS3 games themselves were powered by late-release dev kits at E3

    http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/050sony-booth-tour.jpg

    http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/014sony-booth-tour.jpg

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    die-Sel

    BuckyBit wrote:
    the only reason to buy ps3's is to build reasonably cheap gigaflop-clusters.

    universities did it with ps2-s.

    I am not really convinced that - yet again - another "Linux"- thread-trolling on these boards is really needed.


    And i wouldn't say this is another linux thread trolling thread, i posted this thread with regard to the features of the PS3, not linux and the affect that this will have on the 360.

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    AndyC

    I'd expect a fairly bog standard Linux distribution just compiled to run on the main core of the cell.

    Why? It's fairly easy to do, allows Sony to call it a computer (and thus gain various import tax breaks) and makes it possible to flog a few extra boxes to a handful of people who think they'll suddenly be able to write cool Linux games.

    Of course in the grand scheme of things, nothing will come of it. It's as pointless and obscure as the PS2 version of Linux. XBox Live is what they need to target to stand any chance of winning the console wars and at the moment, I'm not convinced they're in a position to do it.

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    JKelley

    They're probably allowing Linux so they can make a stronger case for the PS3 being a PC instead of a games console.  Wasn't there some issue with them having lower taxes on it or something for importing the systems if that's the case? 

    This could actually be the biggest boost for Linux they'll get.  A closed hardware platform, a company with a vested interest in making sure all the peripherals work right, a locked in target audience.  If there's anything that could potentially bring Linux to the masses, this is it.

    It would be slick if the XBOX had a full windows interface hidden in there somewhere...  Maybe Windows Mobile, or the Tablet edition?  Something for us developers to play with for free.

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    Sabot

    blatzcoder wrote:
    
    Sabot wrote: Just gives the machine access to lots of stuff it wouldn't normally have and a legion of free sheep developers that have been pre-programmed that their mission is to pss-off Microsoft.
    Wow. You really have no idea what motivates some open source programmers. It isn't all about pssing Microsoft off or being suckered by Sony, Novell, or Sun.


    Try me! I was one!

    Don't you dare think that cos I'm on C9 I'm a Microsoft zealot that needs educating!

    I developed for Linux for years believing in the free model till some joker said my code was his, the difference being he was selling it and there was nothing I could do because I had no cash to pursue it. I felt like a mug. Ain't capitalism great?

    So why am I on C9, well I keep my eye on other technology development forums too.

    I don't want to turn this into a Linux/Microsoft rant but needless to say I'm not pro anyone now ... just myself and my company. I pick the best OS that fits the business requirement these days and that can be Windows/Linux/Unix/zOS/OSX so frankly I don't give a monkeys and I believe this is the way we all should be!

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    Xaero_​Vincent

    I think its pretty evident why they chose Linux.

    The PS3 uses the CELL processor. Since Linux is open-source they are able to compile the source code specifically for that processor.

    Windows is only an x86 OS and the full source code isnt available. This means that Sony couldnt compile it specifically for the CELL. Windows is also not free, so it isnt a cost effective solution. Very few would pay an additional $100 or so for an already outlandishly priced system units.


    Regards,
    Vincent

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    phreaks

    JKelley wrote:
    It would be slick if the XBOX had a full windows interface hidden in there somewhere...  Maybe Windows Mobile, or the Tablet edition?  Something for us developers to play with for free.


    I dunno about a 'full windows interface', but the original xbox runs Win2k Embedded (or some form of it).There are some homebrew apps (like XBMC and KAI) that allegedly hook into the embedded system through API Calls.

    Also, you can very well install Linux on an original Xbox and have it do anything you like.

    The original xboxes controller ports are just modified USB ports and retrofitting a keyboard into one is a fairly simple task.

    And you can write homebrew (although clunkily because MS were baztardz about releasing genuine XDK's)

    http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/sdk-start.php
    http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/debug-xdk.php

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    Tensor

    Do you think I'll be able to get it with BSD instead? *ducks*

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    Erisan

    Tensor wrote:
    Do you think I'll be able to get it with BSD instead? *ducks*

    Sony and IBM has sent Cell processor patches to LKML some time now, but BSD can't use those patches directly. Maybe BSD Cell port comes some day ...
    (Not sure did you ask the question seriously though ... Smiley

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    Sabot

    blatzcoder wrote:
    
    Sabot wrote: I developed for Linux for years believing in the free model till some joker said my code was his, the difference being he was selling it and there was nothing I could do because I had no cash to pursue it. I felt like a mug. Ain't capitalism great?
    Why didn't you sell your code, then (in the form of a product)? You could have always taken his code and turned it into something even better. Of course, this assumes you used the GPL in the first place.


    We'll continue the detail of this conversation offline, but basically disillusionment was the reason I didn't pursue it, yes it was under GPL, which at the time and the country I was in (unlike now) meant sqwat.

    I didn't mind anyone using my code and making it better, or even selling it, but it was more than just the code, it was also the idea which was just ripped off. The worse thing was that the Linux community hail it as a killa-app and I never got any credit. My voice was lost in a hail of false praise.

    I'm not a megalomanic but it would be nice not to have to pay a morgage and send my kids to a nice school and not a comp.

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    dahat

    Call me crazy... but why does anyone expect Sony’s PS3 Linux attempt to be any better than their PS2 Linux attempt?

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