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How many people on here are pro developers?

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    Larsenal

    blatzcoder wrote:
    At the moment, I am a hobby developer. The only language I really know is HTML, maybe a bit of Javascript. I would like to learn some C++.

    brb I'm being told to turn off the computer now

    ps does the sanbox accept web pages?


    ...puts things in perspective.

    Blatz, I hope things go well for you.  Be humble about your skills/knowledge and you'll find a lot of people will be willing to help you along the way.

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    qswitch426

    Spent 6 years as a developer in the defense industry.

    Now I spend my time convincing undergraduates they have a future as new developers.  Smiley

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    littleguru

    Larsenal wrote:
    
    blatzcoder wrote: At the moment, I am a hobby developer. The only language I really know is HTML, maybe a bit of Javascript. I would like to learn some C++.

    brb I'm being told to turn off the computer now

    ps does the sanbox accept web pages?


    ...puts things in perspective.

    Blatz, I hope things go well for you.  Be humble about your skills/knowledge and you'll find a lot of people will be willing to help you along the way.


    From my current point, he could have said the truth. He lied about being quiet until he put something in the sandbox. Perhaps this time he says the truth that would also clear why he had not put anything in the sandbox yet...

    He could just be unable to do something.

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    Steve411

    Yggdrasil wrote:
    
    Another_Darren wrote: There are so many ways to interpret professional... I've worked with so many permies and contractors in my time, and each has classed themselves as professional.  Yet some gained 'professional' status by reading a book and surviving on wit for two contracts.


    "Professional" is a very simple definition - do you make your living from writing software? If so, you're a software professional.
     


    Yep.

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    littleguru

    Steve411 wrote:
    
    Yggdrasil wrote:  "Professional" is a very simple definition - do you make your living from writing software? If so, you're a software professional.
     


    Yep.


    I can't agree. There is a lot people that make their money for living by developing software and they are far far away from being a professional.

    And there is other people, that are gurus or grand masters of some language, algorithms, programming in general ... but don't (need) do it for living...

    I call the second pro developers and the first just developers.

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    AndyD

    professional dev here too. Though I do have to do a lot of other stuff such as UI design, project management and trying to find new devs to join our team...

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    mawcc

    Professional developer since 1993, freelance since 1999 (am I really that old already?).

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    PaoloM

    Professional developer from 1983 to 1998.

    After that, consulting hell Wink

    Oh yeah, and this new gig...

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    Cairo

    PaoloM wrote:
    


    Oh yeah, and this new gig...


     which is ... what? We know, now, that you work for Microsoft -- but doing what? Maybe I missed that thread. I missed the video on the front page about BillG retiring, so it's certainly possible, and even likely.


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    harumscarum

    consultant

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    TimP

    Going into my second university year for a CS degree. Working this summer on mainframes (z/OS) and loving every minute of it. Smiley

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    spoofnozzle

    davidofmorris wrote:
    

    I train monkeys to do little dances without flinging their excrement at the audience - it doesn't pay well, but it can be very gratifying!



    Well you see... there's your problem.

    I train my monkeys to develop... we have "developer, developer, developer, developer" playing on a continual loop... I have about a million of them, and they each have their own teletype... they write mostly crap, but every now and then one of them comes up with a real gem.

    Perhaps I could rent them out to the VISTA team ??  Tongue Out

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    amotif

    leeappdalecom wrote:
    What kind of developer are you at the moment, are you a student, graduate, professional, hobbiest etc.

    If your a professional are you a contractor, permanent or do you run your own business? Would be interesting to know what people here actually do because I see alot of good developers.


    I took my first full-time programming job in 1988 (don't do the math, kids) and am currently working as a contract developer. A lot of interesting development work happened between then and now. Smiley Sometimes I work through an agency, sometimes I bill directly through my company, which presently makes money only when I'm billing directly. I'm hoping to change that. Smiley

    Edit: Oh, I guess I count myself as a professional. Wink

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    ScanIAm

    spoofnozzle wrote:
    
    davidofmorris wrote: 

    I train monkeys to do little dances without flinging their excrement at the audience - it doesn't pay well, but it can be very gratifying!



    Well you see... there's your problem.

    I train my monkeys to develop... we have "developer, developer, developer, developer" playing on a continual loop... I have about a million of them, and they each have their own teletype... they write mostly crap, but every now and then one of them comes up with a real gem.

    Perhaps I could rent them out to the VISTA team ?? 


    That's how OSS got started....

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    PaoloM

    Cairo wrote:
     which is ... what? We know, now, that you work for Microsoft -- but doing what?

    Program Manager (aka cat herder) in Windows Desktop Search.

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    Cornelius Ellsonpeter

    PaoloM wrote:
    
    Cairo wrote:  which is ... what? We know, now, that you work for Microsoft -- but doing what?

    Program Manager (aka cat herder) in Windows Desktop Search.
    Question...is your actual physical desktop at work a mess? Do you ever lose anything on your desk?

    Sorry, ironic moment. Big Smile

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    Cairo

    PaoloM wrote:
    
    Cairo wrote: which is ... what? We know, now, that you work for Microsoft -- but doing what?

    Program Manager (aka cat herder) in Windows Desktop Search.


    Ah, cool. Do you work with the MSN Desktop Search thing at all, or is that another project entirely?

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    PaoloM

    Cairo wrote:
    Ah, cool. Do you work with the MSN Desktop Search thing at all, or is that another project entirely?

    Same project, new versions Smiley

    I really hate doing this, but I'll do it anyways (hey, I *am* part of an Evil Empire, right?): the stuff that we'll get out of the door between this summer and Vista is going to be awesome Smiley

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