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“Everything Could Explode at Any Moment” (Re: Israel/Hezbollah)

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    pacelvi

    This is from a guy's blog, entry made in April

    http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2006_04.html

    “Everything Could Explode at Any Moment”
    NORTHERN ISRAEL - Last year I drove down from Beirut into Hezbollah-occupied Lebanon along the border with Israel. Aside from Hezbollah’s other miniature state-within-a-state in the suburbs south of Beirut, the border region is the craziest place in the country.

    The Lebanese government doesn’t control it and cannot police it. The army is not allowed to go down there. Soldiers I’ve talked to refer to the southern-most checkpoint before the Hezbollah-occupied zone as “the border." Psychotic road-side propaganda shows severed heads, explosions from suicide-bombs, and murderous tyrants from Iran and Syria.

     

    Lisa Goldman and I decided to drive up there and take a look from the Israeli side.

    “I should warn you,” I said in the car. “Something is wrong on the border. Something bad is going to happen.”

    “Why do you say that?” she said.

    I told her what I knew, what had recently happened when I tried to visit the border again from the Lebanese side just two weeks before.


    *

    My British friend Andrew flew out to Beirut from Washington. He wanted to visit the border. I wanted to go back to the border. So we rented a car and drove down to Saida where foreigners are required to get permission from the Lebanese army before being allowed beyond the last official checkpoint.

    We found our way to the office of the ranking military intelligence officer.

    “What is your nationality?” he said.

    “He’s British,” I said, referring to Andrew. “And I’m American.”

    The officer clasped his hands loudly together. “You are not going down there today,” he said.

    “Why not?” I said.

    He made an I-don’t-know face that was terrifically, intentionally, and even comically insincere.

    “Is it for security reasons?” I said.

    “Of course,” he said. “You can go,” he said to Andrew. “But you,” he said, meaning me, “can’t go anywhere near the border right now.”

    “Why not?” I said. “What’s going on?”

    He laughed.

    “Oh, come on,” I said. “You can tell me. Who am I going to tell?” (Har har.)

    He shook his head. “No,” he said. He was deadly serious about keeping me away from that border.

    “Are you worried I will do something?” I said. “Or are you worried something will happen to me?”

    “Something might happen to you,” he said.

    “Is it Hezbollah? The Israelis? What?”

    He made his goofy what-do-I-know face once again. “I am sorry,” he said. “It’s too dangerous. You aren’t going.”


    *

    That was all I could get out of the Lebanese army. The Israeli army was a little more willing to talk.

    Lisa and I met Israeli Defense Forces Spokesman Zvika Golan at a base in the north near the border. He told us to follow him in his jeep as he drove to a lookout point next to an IDF watch tower that opened up over Lebanon.

     


    “You aren’t safe here right now,” he said.

    “I know,” I said. “The Lebanese army wouldn’t let me anywhere near the border two weeks ago. What’s going on?”

    “Hezbollah is planning an operation,” he said.

    “How do you know?” I said.

    “We know,” he said and nodded.

    I knew he was right. The Lebanese intelligence officer more or less told me the same thing. He didn’t say the threat was from Hezbollah, but he didn’t have to.

    “What do you think about all this?” I said.

    “We really want the Lebanese army on this border,” he said.

    Lebanon and Israel technically have been at war for many decades. But Israel and Lebanon have never actually fought any battles. Israel has been involved in plenty of fighting in Lebanon, but none of it ever involved the Lebanese army or government. Neither side has ever actually fired on the other. Neither side wants to. All Israel’s Lebanon battles were waged against the PLO and Hezbollah.

    “Are you in contact with the Lebanese government?” I said.

    “We pass messages to the Lebanese army through the UN,” he said.

    “How well are they received?” I said.

    “Oh, they’re received very well,” he said. “The only problem is the Lebanese army can’t act against Hezbollah.”

    He introduced me to a young bearded lieutenant in the IDF (left, below) on border patrol duty.

     


    “I have worked on the Jordanian and Egyptian borders,” he said. “This is the worst. The strangest feeling here is that the other side is a no-man’s land. There is no authority that you’re working against. It is extremely out of the ordinary to see any Lebanese police or army. Only Hezbollah is armed.”

    “What do you see when you look at Lebanon?” I asked the lieutenant.

    “I see poverty and difficult circumstances,” he said. “I see poor farmers who work hard. After so many years of war, the last thing they probably want is more war.”

    “Do you know what you’re looking at when you look into the towns?” I said.

    “We track movement on the other side,” he said. “I can tell you exactly what each of those buildings are for.”

     


    “What about people?” I said. “Can you tell who belongs to Hezbollah and who just happens to live there?”

    “99 percent of the time I know who I’m looking at by their face,” he said. Hezbollah will love learning that if they’re still reading my blog.

    The lieutenant was easily ten years younger than me. But he was so ground down from world-weariness he sounded like a man 30 years older who hadn't slept for three days.

    “Any minute now something huge could break out," he said. "I am afraid to go home and leave my soldiers. When Hezbollah decides to do something, they do it. And they’re pretty good at it.”

    "What do you think they'll do next?" I said.

    “I have no idea," he said. "They could do anything. Kidnapping. Sniper.”

    "How do you feel about that?" I said.

    “Well,” he said. “You get pretty cynical about it after a while.”

    “Do you think they’re watching us?” Lisa said.

    “They are watching you right at this second,” the lieutenant said. “You are definitely being photographed. It’s possible you’re being watched through a sniper rifle.”

    To say I felt naked and exposed at that moment would be a real understatement. I felt like my skin was invisible, that psychopaths were boring holes with their eyes straight to the core of my being. At the same time, I knew they did not see me as a person. They saw me as a potential massacre target.

    I know Hezbollah wouldn’t hurt me in Lebanon, even though they did call me on my cell phone and threaten me with physical violence. All bets are off while standing next to IDF soldiers in Israel, though. Whoever was watching me surely dehumanized me as a Jew (even though I'm a non-religious "Christian") who belonged to the little Satanic fit-for-destruction Zionist Entity.

    I wouldn’t say I felt scared. But I certainly didn’t feel comfortable. The earth seemed slightly tilted. Lebanon feels unhinged and psychotic from the Israeli side of the line. At least it did on that day. I kept having to remind myself that the country I love and lived in is not at all represented by the nutcases with guns in the hills who like to pick off Jews on the border.

     

    “How dangerous is it here, really?” I asked the lieutenant.

    “I say this to my guys every morning: Everything could explode at any moment. Just after I said it this morning a bus load of pensioners showed up on a field trip. An old woman brought us some food. It’s crazy. They shouldn’t be here. You shouldn’t be here.”

    “What’s happening here is very unusual," Zvika, the Israeli Defense Forces Spokesman, said. But he wouldn't tell me what, exactly, was so unusual. Shortly after I left the country, a story broke in the Daily Telegraph that explained it.

    Iran has moved into South Lebanon. Intelligence agents are helping Hezbollah construct watch towers fitted with one-way bullet-proof windows right next to Israeli army positions.

    Here's what one officer said:
    This is now Iran's front line with Israel. The Iranians are using Hizbollah to spy on us so that they can collect information for future attacks. And there is very little we can do about it.
    More powerful weapons, including missiles with a range of 30 miles, are also being brought in.

    I asked Zvika about the last time Hezbollah and Israel got into a hot war.

    “It was last November,” he said. “Hezbollah invaded the village of Ghajar in white jeeps that looked like they belonged to the UN. We bombed their positions with air strikes. After a while, the Lebanese army asked us to stop. So we stopped right away.”

    "Why did you stop?" I said. "You stopped just because the Lebanese army asked you to stop?"

    He looked surprised by my question.

    “Of course we stopped because they asked," he said. "We have very good relations with them. We're working with them and trying to help make them relevant.”

    Lebanon never admits anything like this in public.

    The rhetoric that comes out of Beirut in Arabic rarely has anything to do with reality. The Lebanese government regularly affirms its "brotherhood" with Syria, its former murderous master that still knocks off elected officials and journalists. Undying loyalty to the Palestinian cause is constantly trumpeted, even while Lebanon treats its hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees worse than neglected zoo animals. Arab Nationalism is another regular theme, even though Arab Nationalism is more dead in Lebanon than in any other country around.

    "The UN says Hezbollah started the last fight," I said to the lieutenant. "Do you ever start any fights?"

    “They always initiate," he said. "We never do. I want to go home. I want to read the newspaper and get more than three hours of sleep every night. We have no business here.”

    "Are you scared?" I said.

    “I am scared," he said. "As an officer I want my men to be scared.”

    "Are they?" I said.

    “Not enough," he said. "Not enough.”

     

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    jamie

    ..so a small button that says: "Move to Politics/Religion Forum"

    if 3 people click it - thats where it goes.  (no dundgeon or "pit" or other deragatory terms.  There is a new place for that stuff is all - and in 3 user clicks - it goes there.

    ?

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    pacelvi

    jamie wrote:
    

    ..so a small button that says: "Move to Politics/Religion Forum"

    if 3 people click it - thats where it goes.  (no dundgeon or "pit" or other deragatory terms.  There is a new place for that stuff is all - and in 3 user clicks - it goes there.

    ?



    If there is a new forum, I didn't know about it and will move it there.

    I'll look for messages i might have missed

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    pacelvi

    pacelvi wrote:
    
    jamie wrote: 

    ..so a small button that says: "Move to Politics/Religion Forum"

    if 3 people click it - thats where it goes.  (no dundgeon or "pit" or other deragatory terms.  There is a new place for that stuff is all - and in 3 user clicks - it goes there.

    ?



    If there is a new forum, I didn't know about it and will move it there.

    I'll look for messages i might have missed


    I couldn't find anything. I did amend the title of the threat to give some more context what it was about for those who want to avoid it.

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    DoomBringer

    pacelvi, please do not repost entire articles.  It is plagiarism.  The most you're realistically allowed to do is an excerpt and a link.

    Unless of course, you're writing a critical analysis.  Then it is more acceptable to excerpt liberally and add your own comments.

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    jamie

    i dont think there is yet

    pacelvi - you do post good stuff (yes i checked Wink) - just sometimes this war, politics, etc stuff starts even more wars  (here)

    anyway - dont take any offence - but ya - to me this is tagged "Politics/Religion"  *wheres my ie7 spell checker! Expressionless

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    pacelvi

    DoomBringer wrote:
    pacelvi, please do not repost entire articles.  It is plagiarism.  The most you're realistically allowed to do is an excerpt and a link.

    Unless of course, you're writing a critical analysis.  Then it is more acceptable to excerpt liberally and add your own comments.


    How can it be plagerism?  Plagerism would be to pretend I wrote it.

    I did post a link at the top of the thread and I did only post an excerpt of the web page.

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    pacelvi

    jamie wrote:
    

    i dont think there is yet

    pacelvi - you do post good stuff (yes i checked ) - just sometimes this war, politics, etc stuff starts even more wars  (here)

    anyway - dont take any offence - but ya - to me this is tagged "Politics/Religion"  *wheres my ie7 spell checker!



    There's nothing to fight about with this post though. It's a guy's testimony of his trip to both sides of the Israeli/Lebanese border and his observations.  It's intriguing just how insightful it was.. everything that is happening this week was basically laid out in April by this one guy's trip.

    I normally dont post anythign quite this long, but I personally found it so compelling that I felt posting it at length was justified. (I agree with the other guy's sentiments about posting long things (even though he used all the wrong terms to object to it), I made an exceptiojn in this case.

    I recognize you're one of the early members of C9 (I found C9 around the same time but didn't engage with it much) and I tend to enjoy most of your thoughts Smiley

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    Cybermagell​an

    Not everything needs to explode, just the gas tanks at the airfield....

    Thank you ladies and gentlemen I'll be here all night

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    jamie

    dont worry about it - youve been here since 2004! Wink

    2 posts - then gone - then back in 2006

    where did you go?

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    pacelvi

    jamie wrote:
    dont worry about it - youve been here since 2004!

    2 posts - then gone - then back in 2006

    where did you go?


    In 2004-2005 I was immersed in my re-self-education on programming (after a 4 year break, leaving off at Java).. I had the whole C#/.Net thing to learn.  My initials posts back then didnt' get much traction, so I just been lurking all this time.

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    jamie

    pacelvi wrote:
    
    jamie wrote: dont worry about it - youve been here since 2004!

    2 posts - then gone - then back in 2006

    where did you go?


    In 2004-2005 I was immersed in my re-self-education on programming (after a 4 year break, leaving off at Java).. I had the whole C#/.Net thing to learn.  My initials posts back then didnt' get much traction, so I just been lurking all this time.



    The Lurkers .... hmmm i like it! Wink

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    DoomBringer

    pacelvi wrote:
    
    DoomBringer wrote: pacelvi, please do not repost entire articles.  It is plagiarism.  The most you're realistically allowed to do is an excerpt and a link.

    Unless of course, you're writing a critical analysis.  Then it is more acceptable to excerpt liberally and add your own comments.


    How can it be plagerism?  Plagerism would be to pretend I wrote it.

    I did post a link at the top of the thread and I did only post an excerpt of the web page.

    If I posted LoTR: Return of the King in its entirety, while citing it, it'd be in the wrong. 
    Sure, I wouldn't be claiming it as my own, but I'd still be posting the entire thing, which would at least violate copyright.

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    Tom Servo

    Seriously guys, get that sand out of your pants. Lately, anything not tech-related gets shot down here as soon it shows up. You're all annoying as hell.

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    Shark_M

    Yea you are absolutely right.

    This is typical of Israel's state sponsored terror. To target civilians. Why else would they bomb a civilian international Airport in Beriut? Or destroy civilian roads? Why would they threaten lebanon to go back 20 years? They are punishing the average lebanese citizen.

    Now Israel left Gaza, they never got their soldier back, But when they entered there they said the objective of this is to get back their soldier, and they eded up terrorising the civilian population and oppressing them by taking out the basic infrastructure there (not that its already bad because the support for their democratically elected govenrment was withdrawn at Israel's request).

    So if Israel is targeting civilian infrastructure and civilians, why isnt Israel in the Terror sponsoring countries list in the US state department? Why is Washington turning a blind eye at the genocide that Israel is commiting in gaza, and trying to "turn heaven and earth" to stop the one in Darfur? Typical American hypocracy if you ask me!

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    Rotem Kirshenbaum

    Shark_M wrote:
    
    This is typical of Israel's state sponsored terror. To target civilians. Why else would they bomb a civilian international Airport in Beriut? Or destroy civilian roads?


    Israel is trying to prevent the relocation of kidnapped israeli soldiers (remember them ?) to other hostile countries, like Iran.

    Shark_M wrote:
    
    So if Israel is targeting civilian infrastructure and civilians, why isnt Israel in the Terror sponsoring countries list in the US state department? Why is Washington turning a blind eye at the genocide that Israel is commiting in gaza, and trying to "turn heaven and earth" to stop the one in Darfur? Typical American hypocracy if you ask me!


    Israel is not targeting civilians. Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbolla are.

    Peace,
    Rotem

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    Sourcecode

    Does anyone else see Iran getting involed in all this crap? If so, why? In what form?

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    Rotem Kirshenbaum

    Sourcecode wrote:
    Does anyone else see Iran getting involed in all this crap? If so, why? In what form?


    They provide funds, training and weapons to Hezbolla, as far as I know.

    Peace,
    Rotem

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