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What idiot made the zune and wmp databases seperate?

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    blowdart

    I went on a metadata fix up yesterday, and did it all inside WMP because that's my usual player.

    And nothing reflected into Zune.

    Then I fixed missing album art.

    And lo, none of it reflected into Zune.

    Must track down Zune PM and strangle him with sync cord. Except you can't buy a sync cord on its own, and so it would mean no more Zune if I broke the cord. *GRRRR*

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    Refrax
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    Harlequin

    If MusicMatch 10 could transfer music to a Nano, I'd be in heaven [A]

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    blowdart

    Refrax wrote:


    Woohoo! They weren't out when I bought the device, so I didn't know if they had hit the shops. Of course this now means I must go to Circuit City tomorrow; which apparently will be insane, but as I fly back Saturday I have little choice.

    Thank you.

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    Harlequin

    That's one thing the Zune has over the Nano, you can't listen to the Nano when it's charging if I remember right(mine was stolen).

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    blowdart

    Harlequin wrote:
    That's one thing the Zune has over the Nano, you can't listen to the Nano when it's charging if I remember right(mine was stolen).


    Yea, the Zune just sits there with the throbber. What would really rock would be reverse streaming, i.e. play music on the Zune via the PC. Redchair's Notmad Explorer for Creative Labs devices does this and it's really handy. I would love to reclaim the 15Gb of music on my hard drive.

    It's also a shame it didn't sync automatically when I changed the artist meta data, I had to resync the tracks manually.

    And I thought it was supposed to start the zune software when I plugged it into the computer. It managed to do that once, *shrug*

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    Rossj

    blowdart wrote:
    What would really rock would be reverse streaming, i.e. play music on the Zune via the PC.


    Via wifi.

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    Rossj

    At least you can use it as a USB disk now (but not over wifi).

    If this is true, my money is on DRM hacks by xmas.

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    blowdart

    Rossj wrote:
    At least you can use it as a USB disk now (but not over wifi).

    If this is true, my money is on DRM hacks by xmas.


    Not worried about DRM hacks so much myself, but external drive as a standard feature would work. A hack, well, hmm, not so much.

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    Rossj

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Rossj wrote:At least you can use it as a USB disk now (but not over wifi).

    If this is true, my money is on DRM hacks by xmas.


    Not worried about DRM hacks so much myself, but external drive as a standard feature would work. A hack, well, hmm, not so much.


    I still don't understand why Microsoft didn't allow it to do this OOB. Nor why the wifi is so restricted. Doesn't make any sense to me.

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    borosen

    Rossj wrote:
    
    blowdart wrote:
    Rossj wrote:At least you can use it as a USB disk now (but not over wifi).

    If this is true, my money is on DRM hacks by xmas.


    Not worried about DRM hacks so much myself, but external drive as a standard feature would work. A hack, well, hmm, not so much.


    I still don't understand why Microsoft didn't allow it to do this OOB. Nor why the wifi is so restricted. Doesn't make any sense to me.


    That will come in the next enhanced version...

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    Ion Todirel

    blowdart wrote:
    What idiot made the zune and wmp databases seperate?
    Its a good thing that they separate databases. The problem is that WMP is stupid and cannot update the Zune database.

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    Ion Todirel

    I was wondering what format WMP is using for media library? Specifications somewhere?

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    blowdart

    Ion Todirel wrote:
    
    blowdart wrote:What idiot made the zune and wmp databases seperate?
    Its a good thing that they separate databases. The problem is that WMP is stupid and cannot update the Zune database.


    Why? It's not like the Zune database adds anything more, except perhaps a list of what's synced and whats not. And you could keep that seperate.

    Using your logic the Zune player is stupid because when I update metadata in it the WMP database doesn't get updated. Heck you know under the hood it's the same code, it looks the same, it acts the same it's just they added a different marketplace and different sync options. There's no real reason, aside from branding, to not have used WMP

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    blowdart

    The other bugbear I have is with radio. It doesn't seem to be able to go up and down the frequencies looking for stations, it's all manual. And there's no way to mark stations you like. Oops it does, I just didn't realise it. But you can't name stations you save.

    Also stations in the UK broadcast their station name, and I doubt that will be supported either.

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    ScanIAm

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Ion Todirel wrote: 
    blowdart wrote: What idiot made the zune and wmp databases seperate?
    Its a good thing that they separate databases. The problem is that WMP is stupid and cannot update the Zune database.


    Why? It's not like the Zune database adds anything more, except perhaps a list of what's synced and whats not. And you could keep that seperate.

    Using your logic the Zune player is stupid because when I update metadata in it the WMP database doesn't get updated. Heck you know under the hood it's the same code, it looks the same, it acts the same it's just they added a different marketplace and different sync options. There's no real reason, aside from branding, to not have used WMP

    I'm not touching the thing until the wireless does WiFi like any retarded monkey would expect it to.

    I'm getting the distinct feeling that Zune was a great idea that somehow got screwed by a marketroid or two.

    What idiot thought that only reason to put in an antenna was so you could trade songs between people on a crowded subway? 

    That guy/gal needs to take a drug test and get some counselling.

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    blowdart

    ScanIAm wrote:
    
    I'm not touching the thing until the wireless does WiFi like any retarded monkey would expect it to.

    I'm getting the distinct feeling that Zune was a great idea that somehow got screwed by a marketroid or two.


    Yea, and it needs work. The radio UI sucks. You only see album art when browsing albums, unlike inside the Zune software or WMP which creates a disconnect when using it. You can't delete music on the device by using the device (WTF?!). And even though the Zune Marketplace is isn't available in the UK the software still brings back search results from it - damnit just shut up already about something I can't use.

    But I needed a new player anyway, the album UI is lovely, it just feels unfinished. Thank goodness it supports easy updating.

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    Ion Todirel

    blowdart wrote:
    
    Ion Todirel wrote: 
    blowdart wrote: What idiot made the zune and wmp databases seperate?
    Its a good thing that they separate databases. The problem is that WMP is stupid and cannot update the Zune database.


    Why? It's not like the Zune database adds anything more, except perhaps a list of what's synced and whats not. And you could keep that seperate.
    Agree, i just tought that Zune its working like an iPod, where adding new files requires updating a database stored on iPod_Control\iTunes. Whithout it iPod cant see anything. Okey this really sucks.

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