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Not very happy with MSDN Forums

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    littleguru

    I'm not very happy with the current implementation of the MSDN forums. Since I'm posting recently, I have encountered quite a few problems and glitches.

    Some examples:
    1) Hitting the ENTER key always creates a new paragraph in the editor.
    2) Same happens with copy+paste of code. It creates for each line a new paragraph, which looks terrible - and all indents get lost.
    3) Font size changes as it wants.
    4) Quoting doesn't work as expected. The quoted text is not included, but the reply to the quoted post is added under the quoted post. Which breaks the whole post history. Very strange stuff!
    5) Profile area is spartan!
    6) Search is weird
    7) I tried to filter the posts and set the filter back afterwards. The original order wasn't restored. I had to leave the forum and enter again to have everything set back.

    I don't know who did the coding for this thing, but it needs improvement. Is this build on Community Server?

    Is somebody from the MSDN forums teams here at Channel 9? Are there any updates planned or are there plans to use the new Channel9/10 system for those forums?

    Perhaps I'm caring to much about the HTML output and perhaps I'm a little bit to accurate, but it makes me feel bad if everything looks so strange.

    Not that MSDN forums are bad (please don't get me wrong!)... Some bugs/glitches are just fun killers!

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    littleguru

    Interesting... Nobody from the MSDN Forums around here. *back playing viva pinata*

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    Darbacour

    MS forums overall are teh Suk

    Hate to say it but there ARE occasionally solutions that are > than MS solutions.

    The 1st and only bb I ever created was a PhP.BB.  Never failed, never glitched and didn't care how many people we had on-site.

    I'm truly NOT a fan of open souce but most MS forums are teh suXX04...

    OTOH this one is vastly superior to anything I've ever seen.... MS should package the forum solution and sell the hell out of it.

    BTW: I DO feel your pain  ........ I just don't bother any more.

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    Keli

    Pain, only ? what do you think all the others in the "community" feel?
    -  Profile area is spartan!
     - Search is weird
    Who could have said it better ?

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    Darbacour

    Keli wrote:
    Pain, only ? what do you think all the others in the "community" feel?
    -  Profile area is spartan!
     - Search is weird
    Who could have said it better ?


    Answering your 1st posit:

    I think most people feel disgusted.

    Haven't looked at the MSDN forums in a while but ALL MS forums R teh suX

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    Keli

    Phew, at last - The meetings of minds across this vast space aka The Net. Smiley. I am not the only one.

    Interestingly you didn't need to gather any more evidence for your posit - "ALL MS forums R teh suX"

    Lest we don't forget the more important things in life.
    Bill Hill's - http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=114

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    JKelley

    littleguru wrote:
    I'm not very happy with the current implementation of the MSDN forums. Since I'm posting recently, I have encountered quite a few problems and glitches.

    Some examples:
    1) Hitting the ENTER key always creates a new paragraph in the editor.
    2) Same happens with copy+paste of code. It creates for each line a new paragraph, which looks terrible - and all indents get lost.
    3) Font size changes as it wants.
    4) Quoting doesn't work as expected. The quoted text is not included, but the reply to the quoted post is added under the quoted post. Which breaks the whole post history. Very strange stuff!
    5) Profile area is spartan!
    6) Search is weird
    7) I tried to filter the posts and set the filter back afterwards. The original order wasn't restored. I had to leave the forum and enter again to have everything set back.

    I don't know who did the coding for this thing, but it needs improvement. Is this build on Community Server?

    Is somebody from the MSDN forums teams here at Channel 9? Are there any updates planned or are there plans to use the new Channel9/10 system for those forums?

    Perhaps I'm caring to much about the HTML output and perhaps I'm a little bit to accurate, but it makes me feel bad if everything looks so strange.

    Not that MSDN forums are bad (please don't get me wrong!)... Some bugs/glitches are just fun killers!


    Hey Littleguru, could you do me a favor and e-mail me your issues?  My team is helping fix some bugs in the forum software, and I'm pretty sure a bunch of the ones you listed are already in our queue if not already taken care of internally.  Also make sure you enter the individual bugs at the Connect site.  That will get them in the official channels, but I can e-mail your list directly to the people who will look at them.

    We know there are issues with the forum software, but we are trying to make improvements.  I don't know what the timetable is for pushing the bug fixes live, but rest assured, there are updates planned for the platform.  They don't tend to be as sweeping or major as what you'd see here on C9, but they do happen.  Smiley 

    My team, Developer Solutions, doesn't own the code for the forums, but we do "own" the forums experience, so it is our job to make sure it gets better, and that you're happy with it.

    Thanks,

    -Jeremy

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    JKelley

    Darbacour wrote:
    
    Haven't looked at the MSDN forums in a while but ALL MS forums R teh suX


    And one snarky sunday morning I haven't had caffeine yet comment... That doesn't help us make the forums better.  Logging the bugs and sending feedback we can use to make improvements does.  Tongue Out

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    Darbacour

    Keli wrote:
    

    Phew, at last - The meetings of minds across this vast space aka The Net. Smiley. I am not the only one.

    Interestingly you didn't need to gather any more evidence for your posit - "ALL MS forums R teh suX"

    Lest we don't forget the more important things in life.
    Bill Hill's - http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=114



    Kelli I do luv ya... Please tell me you're a girl too.

    It would be 50 ub34-1337 to find another female that can smack these boy-geks around if they start making fun of my lack of knowledge in coding, programming etc.

    If I'm yet again missing the point and you're making fun of my blondeness, don't.

    Not a good move in the long-run.

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    PaoloM

    Hey, since when do we let 10yrs old in?

    Smiley

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    Jack Poison

    PaoloM wrote:
    

    Hey, since when do we let 10yrs old in?





    !!!!! OMG!!!!!!!   ROFL!!!!!!!


    ok...

    Everyone: A/S/L

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    Jack Poison

    Most people I know don't even use MSDN at all for help. They use www.google.com/microsoft

    I cannot tell you how many times this has saved me where searching on MSDN has failed. I mentioned this to two different people at PDC 2005 that worked for Microsoft, and got the "yeah, we know, we're looking into it. Keep giving us feedback" line.

    I respect the MS employees who comment here on C9, but after a while, we lose our expectation that things will get better.

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    Keli

    What do get when you graduate with a 1GB MSDN Library CD ?

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    JChung2006

    Jack Poison wrote:
    Most people I know don't even use MSDN at all for help. They use www.google.com/microsoft

    Many results from that Google search page come from MSDN.

    Using any search engine that supports "site:msdn.com" syntax is better than MSDN search.  They should just dump MSDN Search and use live.com search, which works as well as Google search.

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    staceyw

    This is one reason why I use NGs and OE.  I don't like all that junk in my way. All that fancy page stuff slows me down.  When your focus is reading and posting, nothing beats a simple ng reader.  The forums are a good idea and provide value beyond ngs (i.e. ratings).  But for serious Q&A, use the ngs.

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    Jack Poison

    JChung2006 wrote:
    
    Jack Poison wrote: Most people I know don't even use MSDN at all for help. They use www.google.com/microsoft

    Many results from that Google search page come from MSDN.

    Using any search engine that supports "site:msdn.com" syntax is better than MSDN search.  They should just dump MSDN Search and use live.com search, which works as well as Google search.


    Thanks for the input: I meant to say, "don't even use MSDN Search at all..."..

    Sorry for confusion

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    littleguru

    JKelley wrote:
    Hey Littleguru, could you do me a favor and e-mail me your issues?  My team is helping fix some bugs in the forum software, and I'm pretty sure a bunch of the ones you listed are already in our queue if not already taken care of internally.  Also make sure you enter the individual bugs at the Connect site.  That will get them in the official channels, but I can e-mail your list directly to the people who will look at them.

    We know there are issues with the forum software, but we are trying to make improvements.  I don't know what the timetable is for pushing the bug fixes live, but rest assured, there are updates planned for the platform.  They don't tend to be as sweeping or major as what you'd see here on C9, but they do happen.   

    My team, Developer Solutions, doesn't own the code for the forums, but we do "own" the forums experience, so it is our job to make sure it gets better, and that you're happy with it.

    Thanks,

    -Jeremy


    Hey Jeremy, thanks for your answer. Could you point me at the connect page/sub page where I can file the bugs?

    I'll send you an e-mail using the Channel 9 e-mail button. I hope it doesn't get into your SPAM folder!

    MSDN forums aren't bad at all. They could be a GREAT resource for developers. But they need a great search experience, a working editor and a better UI. It should be a place that people love and not that people think: ah, somebody did something in his free time and didn't have the time to finish, but it needed to be shipped.

    I would like to have a great experience at MSDN forums. I'm sure that more people would use them and they would generate even more useful content. The community is important Smiley

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    LaBomba

    littleguru wrote:
    I would like to have a great experience at MSDN forums. I'm sure that more people would use them and they would generate even more useful content. The community is important


    What they really need is the super team of Adam/Erik/Sampy Wink

    Edit: oops, forgot about Duncan:O....probably because he doesn't post as much here, he's more of a 10 guy Tongue Out

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