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Proof Positive: Bush is 25X Worse Than Satan

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    Erisan

    Ping wrote:
    why US attack Iraq-a country they couldn't find any nuclear weapon?


    Because God told so?

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    ScanIAm

    dahat wrote:
    

    Believe it or not free speech does not mean you can say anything and everything you want when you want and where you want.


    Um, yeah it does. 

    That's kind of the point.

    Apparently your version of free speech isn't so very free.


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    dahat

    ScanIAm wrote:
    
    dahat wrote: 

    Believe it or not free speech does not mean you can say anything and everything you want when you want and where you want.


    Um, yeah it does. 

    That's kind of the point.

    Apparently your version of free speech isn't so very free.




    So... yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre is free speech?

    Expressing your desire for harm to come to someone... like the President is ok?

    Outright verbally threatening someone’s safety and/or life is free speech?

    Revealing classified information to unauthorized persons is free speech?

    Encouraging someone to do physical harm to another is free speech?

    While you might say so... the courts have said otherwise for quite some time.

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    ScanIAm

    dahat wrote:
    
    ScanIAm wrote: 
    dahat wrote: 

    Believe it or not free speech does not mean you can say anything and everything you want when you want and where you want.


    Um, yeah it does. 

    That's kind of the point.

    Apparently your version of free speech isn't so very free.




    So... yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre is free speech?

    Expressing your desire for harm to come to someone... like the President is ok?

    Outright verbally threatening someone’s safety and/or life is free speech?

    Revealing classified information to unauthorized persons is free speech?

    Encouraging someone to do physical harm to another is free speech?

    While you might say so... the courts have said otherwise for quite some time.



    Apparently your version of free speech isn't so very free.

    I don't think I was unclear, was I?

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    Minh

    dahat wrote:

    So... yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre is free speech?

    So, can you please identify any sentence in this thread that isn't covered by the 1st amendment.

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    dahat

    ScanIAm wrote:
    Apparently your version of free speech isn't so very free.

    I don't think I was unclear, was I?


    You weren't as much unclear as you were incorrect.

    Like it or not, in the US like almost everywhere else there are a couple of limitations, but don't take my word for it, lets hear what Mr Wikipedia has to say on the subject in the US:

    Wikipedia wrote:
    Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocation of unpopular ideas that most people would find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, are generally permitted. There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws and regulation of commercial speech, such as advertising. Other limitations on free speech often balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as property rights for authors and inventors (copyright), interests in fair political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on Hate speech or fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are also often made between speech and other acts, such as flag burning, which may have symbolic significance.

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    ScanIAm

    dahat wrote:
    
    ScanIAm wrote: Apparently your version of free speech isn't so very free.

    I don't think I was unclear, was I?


    You weren't as much unclear as you were incorrect.

    Like it or not, in the US like almost everywhere else there are a couple of limitations, but don't take my word for it, lets hear what Mr Wikipedia has to say on the subject in the US:

    Wikipedia wrote: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocation of unpopular ideas that most people would find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, are generally permitted. There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws and regulation of commercial speech, such as advertising. Other limitations on free speech often balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as property rights for authors and inventors (copyright), interests in fair political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on Hate speech or fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are also often made between speech and other acts, such as flag burning, which may have symbolic significance.

    Regardless of what the current legal climate has done TO free speech, these are exceptions to the rule.  As such, they aren't examples of free speech.

    In each case, by taking these actions, you are breaking some other law (assault, public endangermenet, etc.).

    You certainly CAN yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, but the consequences are that you've endangered others and will likely go to jail.



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    Minh

    I'm going to stop by a crowded theater tonight & yell "Fire! Fire!" really loud ... just to make up for the lost of Bill of Rights.

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    dahat

    ScanIAm wrote:
    In each case, by taking these actions, you are breaking some other law (assault, public endangermenet, etc.).

    You certainly CAN yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, but the consequences are that you've endangered others and will likely go to jail.


    From the sounds of it you are now getting into the metaphysical aspects of ‘free speech’... something I have 0 desire to go into... so I will just say this... thank you for conceding my original point of:

    dahat wrote:
    Believe it or not free speech does not mean you can say anything and everything you want when you want and where you want.


    Minh wrote:
    I'm going to stop by a crowded theater tonight & yell "Fire! Fire!" really loud ... just to make up for the lost of Bill of Rights.


    You remind me of some kids from my Kindergarten class who would use the excuse of "it's a free country" to justify just about anything they'd do... all the while only knowing the basic meaning of the term they were using but none of its nuances.

    You know... the whole dirty bit of freedom not meaning that you have the right to do anything you want... but instead that in general you have the right to do anything you want so long as doing so does not interfere with the rights of others.

    I know it's a difficult concept to understand... but do consider the 'fire' example before you continue your trolling Minh and further demonstrate your unfamiliarity with the issue at hand.

    And with that I am done with this thread as one of you inadvertently accepted my original point... while the other seemly only continues here in their desire to troll using their uninformed blind-hatred.

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    Minh

    dahat wrote:
    

    And with that I am done with this thread as one of you inadvertently accepted my original point... while the other seemly only continues here in their desire to troll using their uninformed blind-hatred.

    Is that time of the month for you, Dahat?

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