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How many are using Vista in a way like the longhorn concepts?

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    ddewbofh

    I was checking out the old longhorn concepts from 2003 and how they show that explorer was supposed to be used less and less. That you would browse less and work with searching and tagging instead.

    What's happened for me is that for the first few months of Vista-testing I used the "old" XP way of accessing files, browsing folders etc. but now after getting used to using the start-menu's search and the included apps for everything I work differently. I've set up a few stored searches for some special cases but apart from that I hardly use the file browser.

    I seriously think that within a few months I'll be able to work without any file-browsing at all, instead relying on indexes and searches.

    I find that pretty amazing, if you start using Vista "the Vista way" it's really obvious that it's more than XP with a fancy GUI. Anyone else had similar experiences?

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    A*

    In some ways I do... in some ways I don't...

    I have a folder structure that I save my files in, but to access the files i use search and the indexed tags.  I hope sometime in the near future MS releases a powertoy that puts back the library functionality in like Beta 1 - Dec CTP.

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    alwaysmc2

    A* wrote:
    

    In some ways I do... in some ways I don't...

    I have a folder structure that I save my files in, but to access the files i use search and the indexed tags.  I hope sometime in the near future MS releases a powertoy that puts back the library functionality in like Beta 1 - Dec CTP.


    Wasn't the library just a search folder of all indexed locations?

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    A*

    true... but it was instead of the documents, music, etc. folders that are linked to the start menu, and context sensative sidebars replaced the favorite links bar in explorer.

    you can create them, but there is know way to create the level of integration they had in Explorer

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    Cannot​Resolve​Symbol

    A* wrote:
    true... but it was instead of the documents, music, etc. folders that are linked to the start menu, and context sensative sidebars replaced the favorite links bar in explorer.

    you can create them, but there is know way to create the level of integration they had in Explorer


    The concept there wasn't that intuitive, though.  "Where'd my file I just closed go?  It shows up in Documents, but I can't find it in the Documents folder!"

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    A*

    CannotResolveSymbol wrote:
    
    A* wrote: true... but it was instead of the documents, music, etc. folders that are linked to the start menu, and context sensative sidebars replaced the favorite links bar in explorer.

    you can create them, but there is know way to create the level of integration they had in Explorer


    The concept there wasn't that intuitive, though.  "Where'd my file I just closed go?  It shows up in Documents, but I can't find it in the Documents folder!"


    That's why it should be released as a powertoy... something only powerusers would use

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    Charles

    ddewbofh wrote:

    I find that pretty amazing, if you start using Vista "the Vista way" it's really obvious that it's more than XP with a fancy GUI. Anyone else had similar experiences?


    Indeed. There are many new user constructs in Vista (that are also programmable, mind you) that truly separate Vista from its predecessors...

    How else are you using Vista in the "Vista Way"?

    Great thread!
    C

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    ddewbofh

    Charles wrote:
    
    ddewbofh wrote:
    I find that pretty amazing, if you start using Vista "the Vista way" it's really obvious that it's more than XP with a fancy GUI. Anyone else had similar experiences?


    Indeed. There are many new user constructs in Vista (that are also programmable, mind you) that truly separate Vista from its predecessors...

    How else are you using Vista in the "Vista Way"?

    Great thread!
    C


    Everything just feels better integrated, it's easier to write a document and access extra information without having to open extra applications. Let's say I'm working on a presentation and I need to find a date for an event, I just press winkey and type in the name of the event and enter. Or if I need some info from a mail I got but I can't remember who sent it, when it was sent or the title. I just press winkey and type a few keywords.

    The functionality in WDS is similar but nowhere near as fast or streamlined as it is in Vista, to me it's the most valuable new user-centric feature and of course WPF coming in as the top developer feature. Smiley

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    mstefan

    However, a real problem is that you can't tag all files. I don't know why they didn't implement it for non-Office files using alternate data streams. Being limited to a small subset of file types is less than useful, IMHO.

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    JChung2006

    I just wish Search was available on the desktop, rather than having to open up a window.  Maybe a Search gadget would do the trick.

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    ddewbofh

    JChung2006 wrote:
    I just wish Search was available on the desktop, rather than having to open up a window.  Maybe a Search gadget would do the trick.


    When you say "open up a window", do you mean the start-menu or the actual search window? Most of the time I do my "operations" directly on the results in the menu.

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    PaoloM

    mstefan wrote:
    However, a real problem is that you can't tag all files. I don't know why they didn't implement it for non-Office files using alternate data streams. Being limited to a small subset of file types is less than useful, IMHO.

    Unfortunately, alternate data streams are lost when you move the file to a non-NTFS system, with no warning or anything. The user experience in that case is very jarring and unexpected...

    I am looking at possible options to solve exactly this problem Smiley

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    jamie

    <still back in xp>

    apart from speed - there are some ..other... things i miss about vista.

    - not highlighting the file extentions when renaming (that was handy)

    - the big thumnail zoom. while the only views i use are list and thumbs - ya - i miss big thumbs for finding stuff

    - guess what... the search.  i never really liked going to a google esque OS - but i did like how search worked - although it did bomb alot

    - not waiting for desktop wallpaper changes (fade fade fade -ITS JUST A WALLPAPER! Wink)


    that's about it - with speed still being the main one

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    mstefan

    PaoloM wrote:
    Unfortunately, alternate data streams are lost when you move the file to a non-NTFS system, with no warning or anything. The user experience in that case is very jarring and unexpected...


    A suitable punishment for not using NTFS, says I. Cool

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    cheong

    mstefan wrote:
    
    PaoloM wrote:Unfortunately, alternate data streams are lost when you move the file to a non-NTFS system, with no warning or anything. The user experience in that case is very jarring and unexpected...


    A suitable punishment for not using NTFS, says I.

    Unfortunately, even if both source and destination are using NTFS, if they transfer the file with FTP, or have zipped the file first to decrease it's size, the ADS will still be lost.

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    Massif

    I'm using saved searches in stacks!

    Woo! Hooray for both searches, stacks and all that gubbins.

    Are there any other things I could be doing? What Vista goodness am I missing out on?

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    blowdart

    PaoloM wrote:
    
    mstefan wrote:However, a real problem is that you can't tag all files. I don't know why they didn't implement it for non-Office files using alternate data streams. Being limited to a small subset of file types is less than useful, IMHO.

    Unfortunately, alternate data streams are lost when you move the file to a non-NTFS system, with no warning or anything. The user experience in that case is very jarring and unexpected...

    I am looking at possible options to solve exactly this problem


    WinFS? *duck*

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    Flatliner

    PaoloM wrote:
    

    Unfortunately, alternate data streams are lost when you move the file to a non-NTFS system, with no warning or anything. The user experience in that case is very jarring and unexpected...

    I am looking at possible options to solve exactly this problem


    That was why I think WinFS was such a big part of Longhorn's original vision, allowing the OS to crack open files and put meta data inside them when they left the sanctity of the "Store".

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