Coffeehouse Thread

26 posts

Iran/U.K. - Worlds first double pwnage?

Back to Forum: Coffeehouse
  • User profile image
    dahat

    Harlequin wrote:
    Weird nobody else is irked that the soldiers seemed to fold the way they did. On TV apologizing within a few days, not they have nice suits on shaking the Iranians hands and apologizing.


    I think most recognize that they were doing what they felt they needed to do to avoid (added) hostilities from the Iranians.

    No doubt once they are back home we’ll here plenty more from them on what was happening behind the scenes and if there was any threats of harm or actual harm to them.

  • User profile image
    ScanIAm

    dahat wrote:
    
    Harlequin wrote: Weird nobody else is irked that the soldiers seemed to fold the way they did. On TV apologizing within a few days, not they have nice suits on shaking the Iranians hands and apologizing.


    I think most recognize that they were doing what they felt they needed to do to avoid (added) hostilities from the Iranians.

    No doubt once they are back home we’ll here plenty more from them on what was happening behind the scenes and if there was any threats of harm or actual harm to them.


    I know that in some circles, it's viewed as macho to hold out and not make these public statements, but there were only a few possible outcomes:

    1) they weren't released, we assume they were tortured into it
    2) they were released, they get to tell what happened
    3) all hell breaks loose, we have bigger fish to fry Smiley

  • User profile image
    Secret​Software

    The UK issued an appology to Iran's forgein ministry and Navy. They admitted their mistake. That was all that Iran wanted.

    Hence, a  happy ending.

  • User profile image
    dahat

    SecretSoftware wrote:
    The UK issued an appology to Iran's forgein ministry and Navy. They admitted their mistake.

     
    That's what Iran says the UK said in the letter... the UK is still holding firm that their crew was in Iraqi waters and claiming that that was what was in the letter instead and not an admission of guilt.

  • User profile image
    Secret​Software

    dahat wrote:
    
    SecretSoftware wrote:The UK issued an appology to Iran's forgein ministry and Navy. They admitted their mistake.

     
    That's what Iran says the UK said in the letter... the UK is still holding firm that their crew was in Iraqi waters and claiming that that was what was in the letter instead and not an admission of guilt.


    It was a clear admission of guilt, and an apology. They promised to work with Iran's navy to avoid such things in the future.

  • User profile image
    dahat

    SecretSoftware wrote:
    It was a clear admission of guilt, and an apology. They promised to work with Iran's navy to avoid such things in the future.


    Again... that's what Iran says is in the letter... the UK says otherwise and until the actual text is seen in the press we aren't going to know for sure.

  • User profile image
    KevinB

    Refrax wrote:
    
    Bas wrote: 
    daSmirnov wrote: Kidnapped?  Iran has the right to defend its borders from foreign intrusion.


    Not by arresting foreign soldiers in foreign waters. There still hasn't been any conclusive evidence that shows wether they were in Iraq's or Iran's waters. It's Iran's word against that of Britain and an Indian freightship.


    didn't Britain have GPS data that shows they were not in Iran's waters?


    That is no proof...

  • User profile image
    Ray6

    Harlequin wrote:
    Weird nobody else is irked that the soldiers seemed to fold the way they did. On TV apologizing within a few days, not they have nice suits on shaking the Iranians hands and apologizing.


    In the days when conventions of warfare were observed, then it was OK to show the enemy the stiff upper lip and spend the whole time in captivity rattling off your name, rank and serial number.

    Things are a lot different these days. The enemy will happily flout international law and torture prisoners, and so will the West.


    I think the Guardian asked the same question that you did (and it is a very, very good question; I was very surprised to see Royal Marines being so cooperative)
    An MoD chap had this unofficial statement on what military personnel should do when captured.

     "If captured, tell them whatever they want and say whatever they want you to say. Any information that you have will be out of date before they have a chance to act on it, and anything you say we will just retract later, saying that you were obviously speaking under duress. It's not clever and it's not brave to die rather than say something that cannot possibly help them anyway."

    I imagine that this doesn't apply to Special Forces units, since one would hope they would be working with fairly up to date information when captured.

    The official line is that the decision is left up to the soldier.


Comments closed

Comments have been closed since this content was published more than 30 days ago, but if you'd like to continue the conversation, please create a new thread in our Forums, or Contact Us and let us know.