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Goodbye WPF/E, Hello Silverlight

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    dentaku

    I'd like to know what software was used to make that logo.

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    Rossj

    Bas wrote:
    
    jamie wrote:...needs linux support



    For what does it 'need' it?


    We've had this before .... say C9 switched to using only silverlight for delivering content - you are no longer able to evangelise to Linux developers as they can no longer watch the videos. It was bad enough when they were almost unviewable on OSX ...

    The whole point of evangelism is to show people what is available to make their job easier, should you joing their group.  How can you do this with Linux users/developers if they can't see what you are talking about?

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    harumscarum

    Rossj wrote:
    
    eagle wrote: Did you notice it's going to be cross-platform as in we love the Mac.


    The biggest problem with actually getting it installed there though, is having a killer app that people are willing to install the plugin for.  Flash has such a headstart in terms of installations that if it is only used for small trivial apps then why would anyone go to the trouble of installing it.




    Well then you are going to miss out on all the great web site intros developers are surely to do first. I mean are you willing to miss out on stuff like this: http://www.newbirth.org/ ....thought so!

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    Sampy

    C9 v4, as 10 does today, will offer the videos in mp4 format that will play on iPods, PSPs, and many platforms.

    Silverlight only allows us to replace in the in-browser player. Users will always be able to get our videos on non-MS, non-Apple platforms. Jeff is really passionate about that.

    Will your experience be 100% equal to someone in a "mainstream" browser. Probably not. But guess what? We (the EvNet team) don't have infinite time to spend supporting everything on the planet. We try to do our best, we really really do. But some things get cut just like any other software project.

    Going after Windows and Apple is a good first step. Saying "this is 100% worthless since it doesn't run on Linux" isn't true. (Not that I'm saying you said that Jamie) Would Linux support rule? Of course it would. Is it coming? I don't know. WMV has awesome server and streaming features that Flash video doesn't have. A client that ran on every major platform that could stream WMV would be a great thing. I hope they bring it to Linux as much as you guys do. It would make our life a lot easier too.

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    jamie

    understood.

    my main point was pretend you worked elsewhere sampy - and you really like silverlight - and new how to program for it - but the company platform was on linux

    right there it would be dead as an option

    its too bad.. id like to use it / push for it

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    Xaero_​Vincent

    Sampy,

    As for Linux support:

    If Silverlight were supported Linux, you would also be supporting *BSD and Solaris.

    How?

    Solaris and BSD have add-on Linux system call layers that allow Linux applications to run as if they were native.

    This is how *BSD users are able to get Flashplayer.

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    Sampy

    Like I said, porting it to Linux would be hot. I have no power in that choice, however. There are plenty of voices inside MS as well as outside that are asking and begging for this. I'm not sure how well it's working but know that it's being heard.

    But who knows, maybe gui.cs will kill everything Tongue Out

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    jamie

    Rossj wrote:
    Hmmm.....



    haha

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    thumbtacks2

    If anything Jamie (and Sampy, too), I would see this as an opportunity for developers using Linux to step up and develop a related technology of their own.

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    Cybermagell​an

    jamie wrote:
    
    Rossj wrote:Hmmm.....



    haha


    ROFL



    pacman

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    Rossj


    Sampy wrote:
    But who knows, maybe gui.cs will kill everything


    World Domination is only a VT220 away... in all seriousness though I have a use for this on a piece of server code I am shipping where we only occassionally need a 'graphical' view and gui.cs is likely to be a little more lightweight than Winforms or WPF Smiley

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    thumbtacks2

    emet wrote:
    
    thumbtacks2 wrote: If anything Jamie (and Sampy, too), I would see this as an opportunity for developers using Linux to step up and develop a related technology of their own.
    http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=301142
    But what if the rug gets pulled out from under the Mono Project? Plus, I was thinking more along the lines of something based on OpenGL...throw in a basic XML parser...etc. How hard is to write a browser plug in anyway? Not that I want to get started on that right now...

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    jamie
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    harumscarum

    Cybermagellan wrote:
    
    jamie wrote: 
    Rossj wrote: Hmmm.....



    haha


    ROFL



    pacman


    haha

    those yellow pills should be adobe logos.

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    Charles

    Rossj wrote:
    
    Bas wrote: 
    jamie wrote: ...needs linux support



    For what does it 'need' it?


    We've had this before .... say C9 switched to using only silverlight for delivering content - you are no longer able to evangelise to Linux developers as they can no longer watch the videos. It was bad enough when they were almost unviewable on OSX ...

    The whole point of evangelism is to show people what is available to make their job easier, should you joing their group.  How can you do this with Linux users/developers if they can't see what you are talking about?


    We will not only deliver content in one way, Silverlight or whatever. Believe it or not, we get it....

    C

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    Rossj

    Charles wrote:
    Believe it or not, we get it....


    I know this, I was just letting Bas know the arguments.

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    raymond

    jamie wrote:
    

    MS - we need a name for our flash killer

    Marketing: brainstorming session:

    what sentences use flash?

    "a flash of blinding light?"

    light = flash - good

    "flash light?"

    cant have flash in it

    what colour is a flash?

    white?

    whitelight?

    sounds like light brite

    whats the next closest color to white?

    silver?

    Silver light?

    hey like silver back king gorilla

    drinks all around! 



    Golden Rays

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rays

    Platinum Pulsars

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

    Instead of Blend call it Mash

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mash

    Microsoft Marketing are you listening? Wink

    Cool

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    Bas

    Rossj wrote:
    
    We've had this before .... say C9 switched to using only silverlight for delivering content - you are no longer able to evangelise to Linux developers as they can no longer watch the videos. It was bad enough when they were almost unviewable on OSX ...

    The whole point of evangelism is to show people what is available to make their job easier, should you joing their group.  How can you do this with Linux users/developers if they can't see what you are talking about?


    Good point, but that's not a reason for Silverlight to need linux support. That's a reason for C9 to use other methods of content delivery than just Silverlight. If Silverlight was an evangelism-tool, sure.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it supported on as many platforms as possible. After OSX, Linux is a pretty obvious choice of platform to support. But I'm wondering why it 'needs' support. To become succesful? To be used at all? What?

    Also, I'm kind of amazed that whenever the 'linux rocks/sucks because...' argument pops up, the standard answer is alway "Wine solves everything." So why doesn't Wine solve everything in this case?

    Anyway, whole different argument.

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