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Betrayal, Backlash, Blowback, Begins--Criminal Alien Bill

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    raymond

    Apparently Congressional offices have been flooded with calls from constituents against the proposed Senate legislation on immigration.

    American citizens are calling:  'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!'

    Citizens apparently want a new bill, call it the Criminal Alien Bill, that does the following:

    Amnesty for Criminal Aliens: Never

    Benefits for Criminal Aliens: None

    Deportation of Criminal Aliens:
    Day after arrest.

    Fence Along Entire Border:
    First

    Guest Workers: No Visa, No Work, No Exceptions

    Legal Immigration:
    Limited--1 million highly educated and skilled per year tops!

    Many Democratic and Republican Senators and Representatives, as well as the President, seem to be oblivious that the American people are feedup by the lack of enforcement of the nation's existing immigration laws.

    The United States of America is a nation under law, not man.
     
    If currently elected public officials cannot enforce existing laws, citizens will find representatives to replace them who can enforce the law.

    Cool

    Immigration Bill Prompts Concern and Outrage All Around
    By Susan Jones
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200705/POL20070518b.html

    New immigration bill faces a wall of old opposition
    By Richard Simon
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-assess18may18,0,723589.story?coll=la-home-center

    Immigration Deal May Not Have The Votes
    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_070518.htm

    Border Security and Illegal Immigration - Newt Gingrich
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9JxGh4-SpA

    Congressman Tancredo on CNN May 17, 2007
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rht6CCWIbS0

    Duncan Hunter on the Senate Immigration Bill
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf_TCdzryD8  

    GOP Sellout: A senseless giveaway on immigration

    Immigration Hearing 5/10/2007--Panel 2, Q&A #1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjLSDL4_3_w&mode=related&search=

    criminal
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    alien
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/alien  

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    DoomBringer

    I think you forgot Lou Dobbs.  He's all over this issue.

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    raymond

    DoomBringer wrote:
    I think you forgot Lou Dobbs.  He's all over this issue.


    Thanks

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    DoomBringer

    raymond wrote:
    
    DoomBringer wrote:
    I think you forgot Lou Dobbs.  He's all over this issue.


    Thanks

    His book is a pretty interesting read.  At the very least, enforce the laws that are on the books, but nobody does that.

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    phreaks

    DoomBringer wrote:
    
    raymond wrote:
    
    DoomBringer wrote:
    I think you forgot Lou Dobbs.  He's all over this issue.


    Thanks

    His book is a pretty interesting read.  At the very least, enforce the laws that are on the books, but nobody does that.


    Unless the perp is Paris Hilton Perplexed

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    dahat

    DoomBringer wrote:
    At the very least, enforce the aws that are on the books, but nobody does that.


    That's just what the negotiated bill requires... not unlike the passed 1986 amnesty package that passed and was not enforced.

    Does anyone else find it pretty entertaining that it seems like the majority of people on both sides of this issue don't like the proposed bill?

    I'm actually a but surprised that more on the left are not putting aside their dislike of this bill and support it anyway with the knowledge that if passed, it would likely lead to the end of the Republican Party as any kind of political force in the next 20 years.

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    raymond

    Addendum


    "The message did not reach Washington until hours after the attack began.
     I can think of nothing that would enrage the American people more than an unprovoked attack.
     I fear all that we have accomplished is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
    ~Attributed to Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
    After The Surprise Attack on Pearl Harbor

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto's_sleeping_giant_quote
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

    The American people are awakening.

    One political party will go the way of the Whig Party.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)

    You have been forewarned.


    Lou Dobbs Townhall meeting: Illegal Immigration Crisis

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_pqrRgRzSk


    Lou Dobbs talks about immigration with Charlie Rose

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2jbo4ldYgE&mode=related&search=

    Lou Dobbs Tonight 03.21.07 - Bill Gates' Amnesty Agenda

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAufcYZdG_4&mode=related&search=


    Lou Dobbs Tonight - 03.23.07 - Illegal Alien Workers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_9w9SPw8g&mode=related&search=


    LOU DOBBS TONIGHT 04.05.07 - H1B Visa Abuse

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh6OLUPSHyE&mode=related&search=

    Robert Rector on the Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBLanPzXg2E&mode=related&search=


    LOU DOBBS TONIGHT 03.15.07 - Laws Written to Favor Illegals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvEFh05En-8&mode=related&search=


    Eye To Eye: Lou Dobbs (CBS News)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS54Wz9bquk&mode=related&search=


    Lou Dobbs SURPRISE 5-06-2007

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_N6P3zPbqE&mode=related&search=

    Cool

    Thank you DoomBringer. Smiley

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    anand.t

    Funny all these guys calling for immigration forget the fact they are originally aliens from europe who did not wait to get permission from the natives.  Wonder what reply Lou Dobbs will give

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    raymond

    I favor legal immigration of about 1 million people per year and the enforcement of all Immigration Laws.

    I live in a neighborhood that has been invaded my Criminal Aliens.

    Cool


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    anand.t

    raymond wrote:
    I favor legal immigration of about 1 million people per year and the enforcement of all Immigration Laws.

    I live in a neighborhood that has been invaded my Criminal Aliens.





    I hate the word aliens to describe human beings Sad

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    dahat

    anand.t wrote:
    Funny all these guys calling for immigration forget the fact they are originally aliens from europe who did not wait to get permission from the natives.  Wonder what reply Lou Dobbs will give


    I prefer what Pat Buchannan had to say on the subject:

    Pat Buchannan wrote:
    The Indians that were here had a liberal immigration policy and look what happened to them

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    k2t0f12d

    anand.t wrote:
    I hate the word aliens to describe human beings


    LOL!  To what other known species should the term apply?  Which came first do you think, the illegal alien or little green men from mars?  Further, is it not the fictional difference that makes extra-terrestrials alien derived from a difference in culture?  How many eyes or arms you have really makes little difference.  When did schools stop teaching the English language properly?

    Here's a for instance.  I know a number of German friends whose English is abominable.  They are very intelligent people with great education, but have a great deal of difficulty projecting thoughts in English because it is a language whose culture and structure is alien to them.  Please, let's not castrate our use of language unnecessarily by being over-sensitive to the point of being totally insane.

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    raymond

    anand.t wrote:
    
    raymond wrote:
    I favor legal immigration of about 1 million people per year and the enforcement of all Immigration Laws.

    I live in a neighborhood that has been invaded my Criminal Aliens.



    Alien (see link above in original post):
    I hate the word aliens to describe human beings


    adj.
    1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government
    2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange.

    noun
    1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
    2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
    3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.


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    raymond

    Executive Summary: The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer

    http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

    "...U.S.immigration policy should encourage high-skill immigration and strictly limit low-skill immigration. In general, government policy should limit immigration to those who will be net fiscal contributors, avoiding those who will increase poverty and impose new costs on overburdened U.S. taxpayers.

    Recent proposed legislation in the Senate will do exactly the opposite.[2] By granting amnesty to illegal immi­grants (who are overwhelmingly low skilled) and creating massive new "guest worker" programs that would bring millions of additional low-skill families into the nation, such legislation, if enacted, would impose massive costs on the U.S. taxpayer."

    The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer (Entire Report)

    http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/upload/SR_14.pdf


    Words of wisdom from a friend of freedom

    Milton Friedman, On Immigration:

    Is immigration, I asked--especially illegal immigration--good for the economy, or bad? "It's neither one nor the other," Mr. Friedman replied. "But it's good for freedom. In principle, you ought to have completely open immigration. But with the welfare state it's really not possible to do that. . . . She's an immigrant," he added, pointing to his wife. "She came in just before World War I." (Rose--smiling gently: "I was two years old.") "If there were no welfare state," he continued, "you could have open immigration, because everybody would be responsible for himself." Was he suggesting that one can't have immigration reform without welfare reform? "No, you can have immigration reform, but you can't have open immigration without largely the elimination of welfare.

    "At the moment I oppose unlimited immigration. I think much of the opposition to immigration is of that kind--because it's a fundamental tenet of the American view that immigration is good, that there would be no United States if there had not been immigration. Of course, there are many things that are easier now for immigrants than there used to be. . . ."

    Did he mean there was much less pressure to integrate now than there used to be? Milton: "I'm not sure that's true . . ." Rose (speaking simultaneously): "That's the unfortunate thing . . ." Milton: "But I don't think it's true . . ." Rose: "Oh, I think it is! That's one of the problems, when immigrants come across and want to remain Mexican." Milton: "Oh, but they came in the past and wanted to be Italian, and be Jewish . . ." Rose: "No they didn't. The ones that did went back."

    Mrs. Friedman, I was learning, often had the last word.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008690

    Reason: What explains the ability of the U.S. economy to still be productive if we have poorly educated high school graduates?

    Friedman: Part of the reason is immigration, especially skilled immigration. And while our government is much too big, we haven't gone as far down the wrong path as many other countries. More fundamentally, a small fraction of well-educated citizens can have a disproportionate influence on the productivity of the society as a whole. The victims of our defective educational system are not the well-educated but the poorly educated.

    http://www.reason.com/news/show/36333.html


    Cool

    PS The phone calls from American Citizens continue to their elected representatives.

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    raymond

    Executive Summary: The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer

    http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

    "...U.S.immigration policy should encourage high-skill immigration and strictly limit low-skill immigration. In general, government policy should limit immigration to those who will be net fiscal contributors, avoiding those who will increase poverty and impose new costs on overburdened U.S. taxpayers.

    Recent proposed legislation in the Senate will do exactly the opposite.[2] By granting amnesty to illegal immi­grants (who are overwhelmingly low skilled) and creating massive new "guest worker" programs that would bring millions of additional low-skill families into the nation, such legislation, if enacted, would impose massive costs on the U.S. taxpayer."

    The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer (Entire Report)

    http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/upload/SR_14.pdf


    Words of wisdom from a friend of freedom

    Milton Friedman, On Immigration:

    Is immigration, I asked--especially illegal immigration--good for the economy, or bad? "It's neither one nor the other," Mr. Friedman replied. "But it's good for freedom. In principle, you ought to have completely open immigration. But with the welfare state it's really not possible to do that. . . . She's an immigrant," he added, pointing to his wife. "She came in just before World War I." (Rose--smiling gently: "I was two years old.") "If there were no welfare state," he continued, "you could have open immigration, because everybody would be responsible for himself." Was he suggesting that one can't have immigration reform without welfare reform? "No, you can have immigration reform, but you can't have open immigration without largely the elimination of welfare.

    "At the moment I oppose unlimited immigration. I think much of the opposition to immigration is of that kind--because it's a fundamental tenet of the American view that immigration is good, that there would be no United States if there had not been immigration. Of course, there are many things that are easier now for immigrants than there used to be. . . ."

    Did he mean there was much less pressure to integrate now than there used to be? Milton: "I'm not sure that's true . . ." Rose (speaking simultaneously): "That's the unfortunate thing . . ." Milton: "But I don't think it's true . . ." Rose: "Oh, I think it is! That's one of the problems, when immigrants come across and want to remain Mexican." Milton: "Oh, but they came in the past and wanted to be Italian, and be Jewish . . ." Rose: "No they didn't. The ones that did went back."

    Mrs. Friedman, I was learning, often had the last word.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008690

    Reason: What explains the ability of the U.S. economy to still be productive if we have poorly educated high school graduates?

    Friedman: Part of the reason is immigration, especially skilled immigration. And while our government is much too big, we haven't gone as far down the wrong path as many other countries. More fundamentally, a small fraction of well-educated citizens can have a disproportionate influence on the productivity of the society as a whole. The victims of our defective educational system are not the well-educated but the poorly educated.

    http://www.reason.com/news/show/36333.html


    Cool

    PS The phone calls from American Citizens continue to their elected representatives.

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    ScanIAm

    Somehow, I doubt that there would be much of a stink if the immigration was from Canada.

    And, I'd like to point out that the ancestors of many of these 'illegals' were living on this continent long before we were.

    So, liberal immigration policy, or not, the point is moot.

    The people responsible for this issue are the very people that every single politician wants to appease:  Small business owners.

    And, small business owners claim that they cannot survive without this labor, so the options are:

    1) Illegals are all deported, businesses fail (maybe)
    2) Illegals are given amnesty, businesses succeed and the character of the US is changed.  (maybe)

    Frankly, the US could use a little bit of character changing, in my opinion, but nobody asked me.

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    JohnAskew

    With gasoline being at an all-time high after President Boondoggle's Bad Term, inflation is making food triple in price.

    Inflation is not being mentioned for some reason, but American's are losing their high standard of living today.

    Americans want to "fight back", so we dump on the illegal aliens.
    I do this too. It is quite a natural reaction, isn't it?

    Perhaps if small business owners had to operate their own mowers and weed-eaters, then our nation would not be so damned fat. heh.

    Nothing better than watching an old man mow a yard with shorts and black dress socks up to his knees. Something about that image...

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    dahat

    ScanIAm wrote:
    Somehow, I doubt that there would be much of a stink if the immigration was from Canada.


    Yee of little imagination. There isn’t a problem with illegal 'immigration' from Canada or rushing across the Canada/US border, if there were you better believe that there would be a stink.

    ScanIAm wrote:
    And, I'd like to point out that the ancestors of many of these 'illegals' were living on this continent long before we were.


    Ignoring the whole mestizo aspect of it, lets not forget that they too were non-natives to the continent... at what point do you want to draw the line to say ‘if you were here before this point you have a claim’? More so, please don’t play the “we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us” card as it is wholly inaccurate in the region in question (ie the American south west).

    ScanIAm wrote:
    So, liberal immigration policy, or not, the point is moot.


    Because you say it it must be true?

    ScanIAm wrote:
    The people responsible for this issue are the very people that every single politician wants to appease:  Small business owners.


    La Raza and the Minute Men would beg to differ.

    ScanIAm wrote:
    And, small business owners claim that they cannot survive without this labor, so the options are:


    They are wrong in large part due to laziness and their unwillingness to pay what it would take to hire Americans for the jobs or worse yet, develop new methods such as say... growing oblong tomatoes.

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